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Good and screw the neo-Nazi who found the fuck out.
The fact that this guy posts this on X with a paid-for blue checkmark tells you everything about why Trump won and why he’ll keep winning. The left has made almost no effort to win the information space. They just lose and then celebrate when some of the harm falls back on MAGA.
How about his for a change: Win. Try to win. Stop kowtowing to right wing information propaganda spaces that stifle the left like X, Fox News, and Rogan. Fight them like the right fights the left in the information space. True, you won’t get to celebrate when your neighbor suffers from Trump, but it’ll be because he didn’t vote Trump in the first place.
I saw the “Dems are the Uvalde cops Magas are the shooters.” And goddamn it salpped ever since. You guys need to get a real 3rd party that is real grassroots socialist.
I’ve been watching people go on and on about a Socialist revolution since I read about Gene Debs in high school.
I haven’t seen them actually do anything yet.
This is a liberal account, he’s not a leftist. Leftists have been in the streets, while liberals remain in the tweets.
There must be dozens of them.
This fuckin slaps
Thanks, I literally thought it up when I typed “in the streets”.
Nice rhyme, might steal it
I don’t believe in intellectual property, so you can’t. It’s yours as much as mine.
put that on a bumper sticker
Trump was never on your side, now you’re finding out the hard way :|
Please remember it is important to not gloat or “I told you so”. This person, for a reason of which does not matter, has decided to exit the cult. This person needs support and praise for their bravery. I don’t care if it is for a selfish reason… ultimately they made it out, their mind is free! That is cause for celebration.
Is there any evidence they decided to exit the cult? People will paint the walls beige when selling a house, and that doesn’t mean they don’t still like whatever red and green Christmas themed house they had to start with. Pulling down a flag while selling the house you can’t afford doesn’t actually mean you wouldn’t still vote for him.
Heres the problem. We kept the gloating and “I told you so” to a minimum after Trump round 1 and the Civil war.
Hammer it home. They need to know Every. Fucking. Minute. Of every. Fucking. Day. That the choices they made got them fired, took their job, and ruined their country. Almost everyone knew it was going to happen and warned them, and they just dug deeper with their knee-jerk “nuh-uh” fake news 3rd grade playground bully logic. They need to know beyond a doubt that they are stupid, short-sighted, easily manipulated bigots. Why? Because the only way they can change it and do better is if they fucking know it, believe it, and see that they need to change it.
I think the “I treat people like shit and expect them to change their view because of it” is harmful.
This is not how you change a mind. This is how to get sombody to double down on their bullshit who where ready to change their views.
Right, because telling people “they’re special and nice and it’s not their fault that the orange dictator is ruining the country” has historically never ever worked once.
It depends.
When the group hurts you through its own incompetence, you can land in hard times and still believe the ideals of that group. The ability for people to rationalize things is incredibly powerful.
Now let’s say that the trump supporter is ready to no longer support trump now that they’ve been personally victimized. Where they end up can be a massive spectrum. Cult followers tend to idolize and forge parasocial relationships with their cult leader.
You might think that you are seeing them reject trumpism and all it stands for, when in reality it’s much closer to someone feeling betrayed by someone they believed they had a close personal relationship with. Their rejection of the cult has nothing to do with what the cult believes, but comes from a reaction to a feeling of betrayal by the beloved cult figure.
In that case the fertile ground to win hearts and minds isn’t there. There are excellent case studies of this “embrace to change minds” strategy working.Daryl Davis converting 200 Ku klux klanmen is an inspiring story, and one that many point to to support the idea of embracing people instead of punishing them.
The problem is that this isn’t the same situation. Daryl Davis was willing to spend years talking with, and building relationships with people that actively hated him. He didn’t go to people who had a tiff with their local klan leader and tell them “it’s ok buddy, let’s be friends now, I forgive you.” Instead he put in a tremendous amount of effort to build relationships which made it impossible for these guys to continue to hold on to their bigoted beliefs
So what’s the danger in not treating these people like shit? Even if it were ineffective, isn’t it better to just be nice to them anyways? We have a contemporary example to draw from, reconstruction.
After the us civil war there was a difference of opinion much the same as the one we argue today. And we tried the gentler approach
As it became clear that the war would end in a Union victory, Congress debated the process for the readmission of the seceded states. Radicaland moderate Republicans disagreed over the nature of secession, the conditions for readmission, and the desirability of social reforms as a consequence of the Confederate defeat. Lincoln favored the “ten percent plan” and vetoed the radical Wade–Davis Bill, which proposed strict conditions for readmission.
Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865, just as fighting was drawing to a close. He was replaced by President Andrew Johnson. Johnson vetoed numerous Radical Republican bills, he pardoned thousands of Confederate leaders, and he allowed Southern states to pass draconian Black Codesthat restricted the rights of freedmen. His actions outraged many Northerners and stoked fears that the Southern elite would regain its political power. Radical Republican candidates swept to power in the 1866 midterm elections, gaining large majorities in both houses of Congress.
Many argue that the confederacy and its ideals never truly died. The light touch, left many holding regressive ideals in places of power. They had not given up their ideals, they just couldn’t be a part of the group anymore.
In most cases the argument is somewhat moot. The most likely scenario is that my relationship (and most peoples relationship) with some random trump supporter that gets kicked in the nuts by trump will be the same as before, no relationship at all. In the rare situation that this person is someone you do plan to forge a relationship with (either net new or reestablishing some previous relationship) I think it is neither wise to “treat them like shit” nor “let them off the hook”
Instead it should be a careful assessment of what they actually believe. Do they still blame immigrants and trans people for everything that’s wrong in their life but just don’t like that trump fired then, then they can kindly go fuck themselves. They haven’t learned any lesson, they just don’t like that they had something bad happen to them. Sure give them a chance, don’t immediately piss all over them, but if the only problem they have is that it finally directly impacted them, they are no ally.
If it’s a catalyst for true and lasting change, sure nurture that.
Idk seems like that decision was made FOR him and not by him
A not-insignificant portion of Trump’s base will be in this boat, if they aren’t already. We should be ready with messaging to pull them out of the cult, so that they don’t fall back in.
No, MAGAts revel in the misery they cause … thay love “owning the libs” and literally want nothing else in life. Nothing. They are fueled by an insane level of hatred and cruelty. It is all they understand. When you point and laugh at them for the “face eating” … they actually get it. MAGAts do not leave their cult, they just get displaced until the next cult that let’s them be hateful racists comes around.
But we can try
Dudes a sucker. He’ll get roped back in right away.
how can you be happy on someone’s failure… this is disguising.
No matter what, we have to remember always to be humans with each others
I don’t see a failure? This individual got exactly what they voted for.
being fired is a failure no matter who you voted for and he should’ve been helped by his neighbor to find a new job
Failure? This is consequence.
Trump promised to cut federal spending (which includes federal jobs), and federal workers still voted for him anyway.
Why would I feel bad for someone who got exactly what they asked for?
Want to know what’s actually disgusting? The fact that that a 3rd of the country voted for the fat little orange rapist Nazi. You should be more upset over that.
There’s nothing wrong with a little schadenfreude for people who actively try to harm others…
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
I think you’re barking up the wrong tree. It’s kind of the whole point of this community
All my Trump neighbors are rental tenants so they get shuffled in and out every year by their landlords. A few MAGA banner fliers as well as a few families with small kids all got kicked out my neighborhood this last year for Sale signs to go up.
They were tricked by a propaganda machine. They may have been willing participants but had they known everything they never would have voted against their own interests. Yet every country in the western hemisphere, South America, Africa, Asia, and well everywhere doesn’t have anti propaganda laws. If you’re rich you can buy influence in any neo liberal country. Why is that?
How do you construct anti-propaganda laws that can’t be used by bad actors to silence dissent? Genuine question if you have an answer but I don’t think anyone actually does. The only actual counter to propaganda is quality education, which is where the US has been failing dramatically.
You have to target entities that knowingly lie and portray themselves as serious. Anti fraud laws with teeth.
I wonder sometimes if it is self defeating to brow beat, say “I told you so”, or rub someone’s face in it. Enjoyable as it may be.
Some people only learn when something bad happens to them.
Perhaps in private, but not if you remind them.
Consider this. Your asshole detestable uncle loses his house. On the one hand you can text him and say you deserve what you get you piece of shit.
Or invite him over to watch a baseball game. Avoid politics. Quietly remind him not everyone is a piece of shit.
Which do you think will more likely change his mind? Or which one will he double down on, write it off as an accident, and go deeper down the hole. I took one for the team.
Both of those require interacting with people in real life, which I avoid because humans are the most dangerous animals on the planet
That’s the mosquito
Humans kill billions, maybe trillions, of other animals and millions of their own every year.
Mosquitos need to get on our level.
In terms of humans killed, mosquitoes have us 2 to 1:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_animals_to_humans
That statistic is specist
Crisises like this is the opening to recruit the hitherto reactionary proletariat. Opinions are most often fickle anyways amongst the poorly educated. But damn its hard to not to feel gleeful for the suffering of hatefull fools.
Schadenfreude for the wicked is something we all indulge in, but prolonging pain rather than soothing it breeds hatred. Some kind of fuel for the onlookers, but what happens when you unchain the dog you’ve been beating? Someone’s going to win. Perhaps your team because the ire is high. But sacrifices have to be made. Your kin may die. Is that an acceptable result? That’s up to you to decide.
You have to ridicule them a little in person: “What exactly were you expecting, did you think people were overreacting?”
The problem is you’re never going to be able to stop the internet from over indulging on mockery.
No you can’t change the internet’s mind, but how do people react to when ridiculed? How do you? I guess it all depends on what the end game is
It all depends on how thin your skin is.
Thots and pears.
Trump crap was taken down on any neighbor’s homes (and there weren’t many) except one (and they have it kinda hidden) after 2020. Anyone supporting Trump at this point is an idiot, cruel, or both.
Agent Krasnov is, by ALL objective measures, the most prolific Traitor in American history. In fact, he has probably caused more damage than ALL other American traitors COMBINED.
At this point, anyone who still supports HitlerPig is as much an authentic traitor as he is. I only wish the very worst outcomes for them. Losing their jobs and homes is the mildest punishment they deserve.
I operate a business, and I havent had to hire anyone lately. But if I were, I would absolutely ask them who they supported for president in 2020 and 2024, which is perfectly legal. Anyone who voted for HitlerPig would be immediately, and rudely, be rejected. I won’t employ anyone with such obviously poor Critical Thinking Skills.
Trump support has been on full display in my area without interruption. “Don’t blame me, I voted for Trump” are the ones I’m keeping my eyes on the most, waiting for them to disappear.
It’s almost half the country though, he’s got like 46% of people approve of what he’s doing. I guess they’re just less in your face about it.
That isn’t true. Only 31% of adults voted for him vs 30% for Harris. The majority of adults didn’t vote because they didn’t like either candidate.
Oh it’s true.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating
Although more people disapprove than approve (a recent phenomenon), 46-48% of the American public APPROVE of his current actions.
It’s literally BAFFLING.
Is it really true, though? I suspect a lot of those people dont really like HitlerPig, but they are diehard Republicans, and will vote for ANY Republican they are presented with. The only reason they support Republicans so much is because they have been well-indoctrinated by the Conservative Propaganda Machine, and they don’t have the Critical Thinking Skills to reject even the most obvious propaganda. They have been taught more to HATE evil Democrats/Liberals than love Republicans. They arent really voting for the Republican candidate, they are voting AGAINST ANY Democrat.
This is a distinction without a difference. They still back his actions and assisted him in regaining power. I guess if it makes you feel better about them, hold onto that.
I don’t feel good about them at all, I think they are disgusting traitors. But if we are going to get past this terrible era of our history, we are going to have to properly identify the mechanisms that are twisting their weak minds, so that we can properly deal with the real psychological strategies that they are succumbing to.
Absolutely, but absolving them of responsibility for their choices is not the answer.
If 31% voted Trump, and 30% Harris, that leaves 39% not voting (minus the idk <1%? that voted third party), which is also not a majority. Plurality yes, but not the majority.
Far more voted for Harris, but there was massive voter fraud, purged voter rolls, disenfranchised votes, rejected votes, all provisional votes were rejected, and voting machines were hacked, probably by multiple parties (Musk, Russians, Chinese, perhaps others).
Now the Republicans get to laugh derisively at Democrats falling all over themselves questioning the directions and strategies that actually won the election, but had it stolen. Rather than question their direction, the Dems should be supporting massive governmental and private investigations into the massive Republican election fraud in the 2024 election.
If the Dems don’t get their shit together, and stop pretending the Republicans won "fair & square, " we can expect nearly every Congressional election to got to Republicans, and HitlerPig will win the 2028 election with 98% of the vote. He will use that enormous number to justify ignoring the Consitutional 2 term limit.
100%. The stop the steal J6 nonsense was all part of a bigger picture effort to steal '24. They made it so the Dems would look crazy and hypocritical for calling them out. I like to think there’s some grandiose plan to expose this and take them down, but then I just feel like a Qanon idiot. There is no way Trump blabbering about people eating dogs and cats convinced anyone to vote for him. Kamala wiped the floor with him in the debate, and he just looked like a lunatic his entire 2024 campaign. I know I live in a very blue area, but I find it hard to believe anyone with half a brain voted for him in '24. I know he has his die hards, but imo, anyone not full MAGA wasn’t voting for him, and the MAGAs are clearly a minority from what I’ve observed in my travels. It just doesn’t make sense.
Exactly. The fact that he decisively won EVERY battleground state is impossible. After HitlerPig gave his State of the Union address, the Dems sent out a Michigan rep who gave credibility to the concept that there were many voters who voted entirely Democratic, except for HitlerPig, and she said it with a straight face, like such people truly exist. They absolutely don’t.
No, only 1.6% or whatever made the effort to reject both and vote for someone else. Anyone who didn’t vote were fine with either major party winning.
The trump sign probably only came down so they could put it back up at whatever trailer park they move into. They’ll gladly vote for the next trump-aligned fascist. These people are incapable of learning.
Gonna be complaining DEI made him lose his job and Biden’s taxes made him lose his house
Yup. Realtor likely took it down because any political flag will devalue a house or turn away potential buyers.
A Twitter checkmark? In 2025?
Kinda cheapens the post a bit.
We really need a Herman Cain Award for Trumpers who have lost their livelihoods. I used to love the old compilations of dozens of posts only to have the inevitable “COVID ain’t no joke”.
Covid deniers when their opponent is covid
It’s kind of scary that 3 weeks is all it took for them to list their home.
Doesn’t seem likely unless he was renting. Even if you miss one mortgage payment, your bank can’t take your house that fast. If he was renting, he might have been threatened with eviction and chose to leave.
Doesn’t seem likely unless he was renting. Even if you miss one mortgage payment, your bank can’t take your house that fast.
If it was posted for sale it likely wasn’t a foreclosure that fast. Perhaps the owner did the math and saw very quickly that they wouldn’t be able to keep up with the mortgage, or no longer had any reason to live in that city because they were there only for the job. With the job gone, the need of the house in that city goes with it. I’m just speculating.
Honestly might just be that, especially if they were working in DC proper.
Well if he was renting, his house being up for sale wouldn’t really matter.
Bet he also had a $100k truck parked in front of that home. Bought with a loan with 12% interest
12% is pretty insane for an asset that depreciates as fast as a vehicle does.
My first car had a 23% interest rate on the loan. I had no credit history and was relying on people I thought knew enough about car buying with me to help me know if I was getting shafted. That dealership has remained on my do not buy list ever since, even after changing ownership due to the previous owners practices of fraud
It’s such a sham that the “truth in lending” laws still didn’t go far enough to simplify the Financials of loan interest.
Honestly the biggest problem was not that I wasn’t shown the interest rate, but that they carefully avoided any financial talk (I never actually saw the final price of the vehicle, only the monthly payment and only learned the exact details, including the several extra thousand dollars of extended service plans when I was going to refinance the loan at my bank) and carefully flipped through the paperwork to encourage jumping straight to signing without reading, even joking “oh no you don’t want to read that” at one stage
Every car I’ve bought since I’ve been extremely diligent to read through all of the paperwork before signing anything, and one of the times caught the permission to sell data for marketing purposes form which I declined (the salesperson seemed surprised when I spotted that one and said “oh that looks like one to decline”)
yeah that’s my point. the truth in lending laws don’t cover that level of obfuscation, so that monthly payment hides the actual burden in one small omission.
Because cars are status symbols and people are fucking stupid. So of course capitalists exploit these dumdums. There are even companies where you can rent-to-own tire rims. And of course those companies make hundreds of millions a year.
It’s kind of scary that 3 weeks is all it took for them to list their home.
The neighbor is part of the (in 2019) 51%.
“Most Working Americans Would Face Economic Hardship If They Missed More than One Paycheck”
Man, that’s tragic. I was poor most of my early life, and when I finally started to make enough money to be comfortable, I knew that the thing I couldn’t do was fall into the lifestyle trap. Living well below my means saved me so much hardship when things weren’t going well. I know that many don’t ever get to the point of comfortable, though, and there’s a bit of luck and effort, to that.
I wish we could do that. Renting and buying houses today makes it incredibly difficult to live very far below your means.
Oh for sure. I had one good run with a company that went public. I leveraged that into long term investments rather than buying expensive stuff I didn’t need.
And on top of that for most government workers their paychecks have been remarkably stable. Assuming you’ll always be employed plus easy credit and bad financial habits are a bad combination
Pretty much this. For many, up until basically right now, working in the federal government all but guaranteed employment for years. I tried very, very hard to be employed at my local NIOSH branch (sadly didn’t make the cut) because of this fact.
If their whole financial system is built on getting the next paycheck or else, this is quite to be expected. He might even be smart (for a magahead) putting it on the market as early as possible instead of clinging to it.
What’s FAFO?
F Around and find out
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Fuck around and f out
Fuck around and fag out? Is this how people realise they’re gay?
Only one way to find out.
This is the first time I’ve come across “fag” on Lemmy and I’m really glad it was used for a reclaiming joke
I’m going out to the yard to smoke a fag now.
Don’t be such a bundle of sticks
In my generation, a “fag” was a leftover of a cigarette.
I think that’s regional on top of generational, but I’m not certain
Well you can’t be sure unless you try it first
Fun fact: my wife and I have sucked the same number of dick 😂 I was curious, twice, but found out it’s not my thing.
I respect that. I kissed my best friend on a dare when I was drunk and high as a teen. Realized kissing dudes was fuckinf weird and not my thing. Through the power of the scientific method we can say with confidence we aren’t gay. Not many other people can do that.
It’s worth a shot!
In the mouth or on the face though?
Fuck a a f o
You can ever say cunt
