I know this the unpopular opinion at the moment, but what electric sedan is better than a model 3? The rest of the producers have all decided we want to drive crossovers or boxes and simply cannot figure out how to make a frunk.
Lots of choice in Europe
Ioniq?
While it’s nice to protest outside of the Tesla dealership, people should be protesting outside of US embassies, and while they are at it, protest outside of the Chinese and Russian embassies too. Block them in.
what you expect from temupanzers
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I hope they lose money because they bought a 1939 Volkswagan with an electric motor on it, and then claimed
Well how was I meant to know the man who lives on the internet 24/7 and can’t shut up about his opinions of women, non-whites, fascism, lgbt, and lies like he needs his pants to be warm for the winter, was somehow a bad guy? I bought a cool sticker, so I’m absolved of giving him any money :^)
These people bought them because they thought he was a real life Tony Stark, especially the early models and Cybertrucks. I consider everyone driving in one a useful idiot for Trump and Musk.
Hell yeah, I’ve been wanting a model 3 for years. Glad politics will bring that dream to a reality 😀 lets go electric vehicles!!! One less gas guzzler on the road.
Now just block trump properties
Who will service those when Tesla goes out of business? Where will you get parts? Yeah, it’s time to jump ship
I shamefully admit I almost pulled the trigger on a Tesla Model S Plaid back in 2021 or 2022. Flush with a shit ton of cash, but fortunately I was reading reports of production build quality issues, many recalls, and ultimately pulled back my deposit.
Looking back at it. The one decision I have no regrets on.
That’s the part I never understood. Even if you weren’t a Musk fan boy and before Musk showed his true colors, Telsa has always, ALWAYS been shit quality. I remember back in 2015, or so, there was a video of someone finally getting their Telsa and it had a massive crack running the length of the driver side A-pillar, yet they just ignored it.
Tesla is basically a case study in top down engineering. Radical ideas promised by marketing, sometimes good and sometimes bad, executed in a massive fucking rush which results in tons of build quality and general delivering on promises issues.
Which only worked at first because they were a start up. At that point many people will accept the early adopter woes, but Tesla never quite matured out of it.
yep. They rested on their laurels, thinking their success of being first would always be success.
and now the big automakers have their own electric cars, that are properly built, and damn cheap compared to tesla prices.
and the first tesla musk had any design input on was the cybertruck, which is nothing more than the fever dream of an edgy emotionally stunted 13 year old, and built to about the same quality as you would expect from one
I’ll have to be honest and admit back when I was in high school or so, I was enthusiastic about electric cars and his seemed like some of the best. He was also opening up the charging standards so that there could be a mixed playing field. Back then, I was likely ready to dismiss small critiques as the retaliation of the fossil fuel industry.
God I hate old me.
Tesla was a long way ahead of the competition for a very long time, to the point where they were the only option for a vehicle that was genuinely a replacement for a combustion vehicle.
Without them, I very much doubt EV market share would be anywhere near what it is today.
I’m not sure how it even managed to get so big when the EV1 was so beloved but supposedly killed by the automotive industry.
All your reasons were valid though. Teslas were the best electric cars for a long time, probably not so anymore. Tesla as a brand has done good things, like you say opening up their charging standard which is superior to all the other competitors.
Personally, I wouldn’t get a Tesla because they are sort of like the apple of car companies, e.g. anti-consumer and anti-repair. Plus, Musk owning it is another big negative.
tesla just had good marketing, while thier TESLAS have been lacking QC for quite a while.
Just like model ts were the best for a long time because they were the only ones.
You’re always supposed to hate or be embarrassed by the old you; that means you learned. It means growth. It’s a good thing.
Take it from an old man, at a certain point you will grow beyond having to feel “embarassed” by your former self, because your ego won’t be tied to it.
Saw a Tesla today that someone stuck an old Rover badge on, cracked me up
Elon is getting slapped by the invisible hand.
fun fact: the people who originally coined the phrase ‘invisible hand of the market’ called it ‘the invisible hand of providence’ which basically means ‘gods inscrutable will’. capitalism-at least market capitalism-is literally a religion.
and its god is smiting his favorite special boy. so sad.
I think this hand ain’t invisible. Well at least one finger isn’t.
The brand is forever damaged. Sell while you can.
I feel bad for Nikola Tesla having his name associated with all this nonsense. Not even death let him escape from rich assholes taking credit for the work of others.
If it makes you feel any better his first name has fared just as poorly in terms of automakers lmao
I’m actually a big fan of Edison Motors, who are working to make heavy trucks into hybrids. And they’re Canadian!
I’m excited for their hybrid conversion kits
Me too. I want to get another of the car I drove in high school and slap a hybrid kit in it
His legacy can live on with Dr Parkinstein. (Parker Edmondson)
if Nikola Tesla weren’t a eugenicist i’d agree with you
The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then man’s new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.
Oof, that’s a tough read.
I have read a number of comments from people with illnesses or other issues that are genetic, saying they don’t want to pass their problems onto the next generation.
So, bizarrely enough, there is a certain amount of eugenics happening, it’s just purely voluntary.
Kind of me, I have a genetic heart defect I don’t intent to pass on. Though realistically, it was unlikely to happen in the first place.
Oof.
it was the turn of the 20th century; everybody was a eugenicist. that’s why we say ‘people from the past sucked’.
People say that because they support it and they don’t think it’s a big deal. There were always anti-eugenicist movements (and always people opposed to fucking children, and having slaves, and even eating meat or going to war, and other morally shitty things justified with this excuse). That’s literally how the movements against these things came about - people throughout time have been against them. You just discount them because you align yourself with the other side, for some reason.
Tesla was not mentally well. But he had the power to make weapons, including a so called “Death Beam” https://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_mispapers.html
And look, Trump connection:
After a three-day investigation, Trump’s report concluded that there was nothing which would constitute a hazard in unfriendly hands, stating:
“His [Tesla’s] thoughts and efforts during at least the past 15 years were primarily of a speculative, philosophical, and somewhat promotional character often concerned with the production and wireless transmission of power; but did not include new, sound, workable principles or methods for realizing such results.[233]”
In a box purported to contain a part of Tesla’s “death ray”, Trump found a 45-year-old multidecade resistance box.
https://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_mispapers.html
An operation code-named “Project Nick” was heavily funded and placed under the command of Brigadier General L. C. Craigie to test the feasibility of Tesla’s concept. Details of the experiments were never published, and the project was apparently discontinued. But something peculiar happened. The copies of Tesla’s papers disappeared and nobody knows what happened to them.
The morning after the inventor’s death, his nephew Sava Kosanovic´ hurried to his uncle’s room at the Hotel New Yorker. He was an up-and-coming Yugoslav official with suspected connections to the communist party in his country. By the time he arrived, Tesla’s body had already been removed, and Kosanovic´ suspected that someone had already gone through his uncle’s effects. Technical papers were missing as well as a black notebook he knew Tesla kept—a notebook with several hundred pages, some of which were marked “Government.”
P. E. Foxworth, assistant director of the New York FBI office, was called in to investigate. According to Foxworth, the government was “vitally interested” in preserving Tesla’s papers. Two days after Tesla’s death, representatives of the Office of Alien Property went to his room at the New Yorker Hotel and seized all his possessions.
Dr. John G. Trump, an electrical engineer with the National Defense Research Committee of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, was called in to analyze the Tesla papers in OAP custody.
im saying you can’t really judge a non-expert for being the kind of shitty guy that was in vogue to be shitty at the time, especially if it’s not a primary thing. nicola tesla doing a eugenics? yeah whatever. his approximate contemporary, margaret sanger, you can give a lot more shit on the topic, because she was a fucking doctor.
this doesn’t just apply to history! as someone who has generally been on the right side of history, I have lived through this. several times. A current example, aside from the obvious nazi shit and transphobia, would be the whole push to equate large language models with “AI” and orient all of our society’s productive capacity towards making them like we’re a giant god damn paperclip machine. I can’t give any lay person who was into the tech in 2023 too terribly much shit about it-but if you were in any sort of information science, math, IT, or neuro-anything, and you were in favor of how it was being pushed for more than five minutes, I will mock you mercilessly until the day one of us dies, and then if it was you, ill graffiti the mockery on your fucking grave.
how strongly was he in favor of eugenics? did he have any ability to push the needle? did he care emotionally, or was it just a quick glance ‘yeah that sounds close enough and I trust the experts. anyway, back to stuff I actually care about’ kind of opinion?
It’s not about “judging,” it’s about not feeling sorry for Tesla’s name being attached to a shitty eugenicist since he himself was a eugenicist
Imagine disregarding the entire domain of Tesla’s work - changing the entire world as we know it with his research and innovations - and the comment they need to make for online points is some virtue-oriented pat-me-on-the-back-im-ethical blorp about random social norms of the time. lol but cry.
yeah, dude was so good at electrical shit I literally cannot comprehend how he got to some of his ideas from where he was.
He had really bad autism. He was in love with a pigeon. Brilliant he was, but mad as a hatter.
see, I would argue that the pigeon kind of exhonnerated him for the eugenics. A race of superhuman pigeon-men, ruling over us pitiful full apes? I’d bend the knee, in my primitive forward jointed way.
I think he was just intuitively good at seeing what exactly is the portrayal of electricity and magnetism. A unique genius with a certain insight.
I sometimes feel that there were many businesses concerns that grew around his early research and they were so successful that his newer research must have been a threat to that.
Through all the mystery, half-truths, and frankly magical thinking people have with this man, it’s really hard to know what he was up to in his final days of work, before he became a homeless bag-man. I somehow feel, without making any kind of declarative statement, that he was working on transmission of energy with longitudinal (vs transverse) waves, and discovering methods of conveying and extracting electrical potential from and through Earth.
Inline Edit: To expand on the above paragraph: The Earth doesn’t really “absorb” electrons like a pillow absorbing a ping pong ball. The energy in the negative charges that the Earth grounds must move in waves, therefore they’re grounded but now the waves are bouncing around in the Earth; that energy still exists and may sum with other waves in an additive way. I believe, again without making a declarative statement, that Tesla recognized this and was pioneering research on how to gather momentum from those waves.
The word “free energy” always obliterates any form of rational discourse. But there was something to it in a way, but to clarify, not in a literal way. Not in the sense of violating fundamental laws of conservation, rather seeing the “other side of the coin” that if the Earth is effectively infinite Ground then it’s also effectively an “infinite” source of power if harvested.
I’ve never really “researched” the man directly but what I do know comes from quite a bit of my casual STEM self-study over decades.
socially free, from a source nobody had ever even thought of, but not literally physically free. that is pretty fucking cool. I’ll have to ask an EE about this sometime, and see how dumb they think I am.
spacex and starlink need to be the next to go.
Space X should be nationalized
It should be a part of NASA
Honestly I’m surprised Elon hasn’t killed the SLS and given SpaceX that contract; it’s one of the few things that would both benefit him and increase the efficiency of the government. He’s probably scared of Boeing suiciding him.
We did pay for it.
We’re still giving Elon $80 million a day.
im in favor of any company these fuckers were on the board of or were allowed to hold substantial shares of being nationalized as punishment, if we don’t end up with some form of communism or blasted wastelands after all this. The capital class needs to be shown consequences, and if we don’t get guillotines, they need to at least be forced to watch us sautee their balls.
Carvana bought mine at a decent price. I imagine the coming glut will have them refusing to buy Teslas outright. Other enraged Tesla owners should unload theirs asap.
Good on you for having principles. Unfortunately a lot of Tesla owners are limp dicked piss baby champagne socialists who’d rather just put a 5 dollar sticker on their bumper instead of selling it.
Not everyone is the position to sell their car, especially at huge finacial loss. So they buy the stupid sticker to make them selves feel a little better.
Many bought the thing 5+ years ago when Tesla was basically the only electric with a real charging network and in a time before Musk went from eccentric billionaire to an out-of-the-closet Nazi.
Now anyone buying one new today, that’s a different story (Which makes it harder to sell the damn thing).
Why the fuck are you defending this shit?
Also I am tired of hearing about how Musk only recently went insane, dude has been off the rails for as long as I can remember.
Eccentric billionaire? My ass dude, he was an asshole and insane always for anyone paying at least a little bit of attention.
It just finally caught up to him and now everyone wants to cry wolf that has been supporting him? Fuck off.
With as strong and emotional you seem to feel about this topic, I sincerely hope you have never used an iPhone, used Facebook, bought a product off Amazon, taken an Uber ride, or consumed any Nestle products.
If you’ve eaten a single hot pocket, you have no ground to stand on here.
I love that comic, but it’s unfortunately not applicable to this conversation. If anything, it’s more applicable in response to @MellowYellow13.
This person is clearly being overly reactive to the situation and isn’t listening to reason. By all means, don’t buy a Tesla in the year of our lord 2025, but if you bought one in like 2019, that’s kind of irrelevant. Those people shouldn’t be punished for what they saw as an innocuous purchase at the time.
I’m not saying “omg you participate in society, you’re just as bad”, moreso pointing out how absolutely ridiculous @MellowYellow13 's platform here is. Things that have already been done are irrelevant, let’s look to the future to better things, no? If you’ve bought a Tesla in the past, it does not matter, just as if you’ve bought an iPhone, used Facebook, etc.
You completely missed my message.
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What do you want to have happen? The car exists and is in an owner’s hands already. Elon doesn’t make any more money no matter if they sell it or not. It’s environmental waste to simply scrap it. What are the options, here?
If they use the Supercharger network, or get the vehicle serviced by Tesla, then they’re making money still.
But, the right thing to do is to keep running the vehicle, you’re right about that.
Elon doesn’t make any more money no matter if they sell it or not.
Elon has the large part of his fortune tied to the future of Telsa, which is 90% selling cars. If no-one buys those cars, and if the second hand market is seen to be almost worthless, then the fortune and Elon’s power disappears.
I dont give af what happens. Defending people buying a car made by a Nazi madman is simply pathetic.
I didn’t think they were defending it. The reality is some people live in a bubble and don’t pay close attention to the media, and switching cars is not exactly an easy thing to do without getting fucked over.
Many people are upside down on their car note, and when you trade in with negative equity on a car loan, that negative equity gets added to the new loan balance. It’s kind of a big deal for the average person.
Switching cars isnt easy but buying an expensive one made by a madman is?
You mean the car they have been paying down on? That’s less expensive
Buying a Tesla made by a Nazi is one of the most expensive and dumbest things you could ever do.
I had Tesla sales reps at my WeWork office one week back in like 2019 iirc. They had a very aggressive sales campaign for a while at least. One even offered to have me test drive a Model 3 right their in the parking garage, which I declined.
So yes, they were making it very easy. Have you ever had car salesman show up at your office?
Many bought the thing 5+ years ago when Tesla was basically the only electric with a real charging network…
Until relatively recently, if you were an American who wanted to buy an electric car and wanted to guarantee you wouldn’t be stranded somewhere with a dead battery, Tesla was literally the only option.
I had all of those things and didnt buy one as many others. Crazy that when you buy a car from a nazi lunatic things dont work out
What are you talking about? Most Tesla owners are progressives. This whole thing is a gut punch to Tesla owners.
Lol, a lot of rich people are rich assholes, that’s nothing new. Think Bezos is saint, how about that one CEO who made people go to work during a flood, did you like Brain Thompson, Ulf Mark Schneider - do you even know who that is?or back in the day when they used to lock workers in the factory or shove children in the mines.
The rich have always been assholes, Musk is just more public about it. 5 years ago, he was just another rich owner of a company. The company made something good, so people bought it in support of the product not specifically the owner and his values, just like every time someone buys a nestle product.
Your argument that 5 years ago he was just another rich person is utter bullshit. I remember him a decade ago being legit insane.
Again, everyone just wants to cry wolf now that has been supporting him
I can guarantee you that 95% of car owners don’t know the name of the CEO of their car company. Most people who bought Teslas years ago didn’t know or care who Elon Musk is.
You’re out of touch, my man. 90% of the population aren’t paying attention to what rich people are saying and doing. Pretending that everyone that bought a Tesla 5+ years ago knew that he was an insane asshole all along and are now feigning ignorance of that fact to save face doesn’t make it reality. But whatever, keep getting worked up over something that doesn’t really matter at present.
That’s nice not everyone payed that close attention, they got sold a car and are now stuck with a shitty reputation by association. Some people are afraid to drive their car because they’ll get harassed by people who can only see telsa driver = musk supporter.
You could blame the buyers for their ignorance, but its pretty normal to have no clue who the CEO/owner is of whatever car brand you buy. How many can name 1 beside Musk or Henry Ford?
Henry Ford was a huge nazi as well.
“huge financial loss”
So why do these people buy these expensive cars they can’t afford in the first place?
Surely they would’ve made a good financial decision and bought a used Toyota at a fraction of the price if their finances weren’t in order?
In 2012 a Ford Focus full Electric was almost $40,000 MSRP with a probable markup at just about any dealer in the country. The only thing that makes that kind of investment affordable is the tax break. The Tesla model 3 (in comparison) was around $25,000 MSRP in 2019. With a 3 year auto loan at 5-6% interest that cost is $31,760.50. The electric focus would have cost $49,305.44 for the same loan term and interest rate.
And they can’t even sell these vehicles for bluebook value (assuming that the vehicle is paid off and they aren’t upside down on the loan for say a loan term of 5 or 7 years).
A Mach e? Almost $39,000 MSRP. Chevy Bolt? $27,500 MSRP. Hyundai Ioniq? Almost $40,000 MSRP. Nissan Leaf is just over $29,000.
There aren’t that many cars that are good financial decisions to be made in a market with so few options where range and ability to charge are majorly important to what you buy.
Toyota’s Mirai isn’t even top rated and it starts at $52,000. So yes. Huge financial loss, and Tesla’s aren’t that expensive when compared to other brands (the cybercuck not included).
Well, being financially stupid doesn’t mean you’re also a “limp dicked piss baby champagne socialist.”
It don’t matter how they got the car. They could have saved up for years, have been cutting costs elsewhere in life, or just have a well paying job; buying a car at 40k+ and selling it for 20k, especially if they still have 30k left on the loan is a dumb move even for the financially illiterate.
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Some people reallying don’t understand arp. Also staus symbol and they could have brought it realozed they are underwater on the loan and are stuck with it.
Yup, They are also rich privileged extremists that were fine supporting a madman until shit hit the fan
Yeap. Too late to sell now.
