• IttihadChe@lemmy.ml
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      It was kidnapping then and it’s kidnapping now.

      Do you support the Vietnam draft and oppose the protests against it or something?

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      whether or not you recognize authority committing the forced displacement of a human being against their will determines whether or not it is a kidnapping.

      if we we’re to end up with east-ukraine and west-ukraine as countries, the east ukrainians would probably classify them as abductions by west ukrainian forces.

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        I would love to discuss alternative realities, but I’m talking about the real world, where there’s a draft, with consequences for dodging it. So, no. By definition it’s not “kidnapping”.

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          it’s a reality, in all but name, and it’s also a reality that this war no longer has a point without trump, forcing someone else to go die for it is beyond pointless or evil; it’s worse than kidnapping.

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            it’s a reality, in all but name (confusion) this war no longer has a point without trump I agree this war has no point. Russia tried to invade Ukraine and couldn’t. Their “liberate Kyyv in one week” goal is like, 3 years behind schedule? And just got some life-saving oxygen due to Trump. Trump is immaterial. In case you don’t follow international politics, no one is seriously counting on him for any war scenario. it’s worse than kidnapping. It could be worse than “kidnapping”, but it’s still not “kidnapping”.

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              it’s a reality, in all but name means that people are already being taken against their will (ie kidnapping); but it’s not being called kidnapping because the west ukranians are in control (for now).