Hashtags do not replace groups.
No one moderates them. They’re easy to hijack and spam. And there’s simply no permanence to them.
Which is why, if you actually want to discuss something, it’s better to tag a group. For example, if you want to be part of an actual PC gaming community on the Fediverse, it’s better to tag @pcgaming@lemmy.ca than #pcgaming.
This needs to be common knowledge because people new to the Fediverse do not know about groups. Hell, I’d say people who have had Mastodon accounts for years still don’t know. And that’s a shame.
Also hashtags don’t help federation at all, groups/communities will “boost” the post so it federates to all the followers
Communities are for Lemmy and hashtags are for Mastodon.
They each make sense in their proper context.
What if I told you that you can use Lemmy with Mastodon right now—and that many people do?
I have heard of the opposite. Mastodon users can see and comment on lemmy posts, but i have yet to discover how to view mastodon post from lemmy.
If it is indeed possible can you or anyone elaborate how to?
The mastadon user posting the thing needs to tag the Lemmy community in their post and then it will show up like any other post on Lemmy. You wouldn’t even know it’s from Mastodon unless they said so in the post.
You can usually tell it’s from Mastodon because it’s got a couple dozen hashtags scattered throughout the post and a dozen more users and communities tagged.
@[email protected] I think mastodon should implement a post-to-community type thing like mbin has for microblog posts. It (and all other fedi. platforms, really) also needs like a tutorial or smth to show how to actually use the federation features of the platform.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Already on the road map.
How does it show up in Lemmy if someone on Mastodon tags a Lemmy instance? Just curious.
it’s a new post in the community
So if there’s 50,000 users in a conversation and they all keep “tagging” the community instead of a hashtag, then that community would have thousands of new posts?
Yes
Yikes
Why yikes? The scenario you described is literally the same as 50,000 users signing up to Lemmy to post in a Lemmy Community.
In that scenario there would be one post with everyone commenting on it. What I think we’re saying here is that it would create a new post every time a mastodon user would “join t conversation” by tagging the community.
Oh right. No, it doesn’t work that way in my experience. I’ve seen Mastodon users post to Lemmy Communities by @ mentioning them, and Mastodon users replying to posts. It often looks weird because replies have an @ mention (or multiple, in the case of replies to replies), but everything shows up in Lemmy how you’d want it to.
I really hope there’s better handling of Mastodon user comments on Lemmy, because all the comments tagging other users are an absolute mess. Are Mastodon users doing this on purpose or is their client tagging the users automatically?
If this were to become more common I’d probably just think about find out a way to block Mastodon users so I don’t see their comments.
In Mastodon you need to mention the person you reply to or they won’t get mentioned. Clients usually set them automatically.
I’m all for it as long as people know that posting on something like mastodon and tagging a lemmy community will then make a post in that community. Could make for great discussions, but could also lead to a lot of posts/spam in the communities.
@[email protected] But again, a big reason I recommend groups over hashtags is because you can remove spam from a group, whereas with a hashtag, you cannot.
So… will that increase spam? Not if moderators actually do their jobs.
As an instance owner and moderator: that’s a horrible way to look at things. Just throwing the onus onto someone else is irresponsible.
I’m an instance owner too (see atomicpoet.org and akkomane.social). Speaking as an instance owner, it’s our fundamental job to moderate.
It’s not “throwing the onus onto someone else.” The onus has always been on us.@atomicpoet @BenDoubleU I feel it’s worth pointing out in this context that from the perspective of a Masto server, this thread features several accounts with no avi, bio, follows or followers. I assume they’re the Lemmy accounts?
As a Twitter vet I’ve developed an aversion to engaging *at all* with newly-created accounts lacking properly fleshed-out profiles!
But it’s still cool there’s these options. Perhaps the integration will improve?
@ApostateEnglishman But you’re not a Twitter user anymore, so maybe it’s time to let that go. You’re part of something much bigger than Twitter-style micro-blogging. Lemmy users will usually have profiles (bios) – although not typically as extensive as Mastodon users – but following users or being followed doesn’t make any sense on Lemmy. The primary unit is the community (group) not the user.
@breakfastmtn Thanks. So far I’ve tried Friendica, Misskey and Hubzilla, as well as three different Mastodon servers. So I do understand that Masto is not the whole fedi.
It’s just that so far as I was concerned, “Lemmy” is a dead rock star who had a penchant for Nazi memorabilia.
I’d never heard of it as a fedi service until Chris’ post, yesterday! 🤷♂️
@ApostateEnglishman You should check it out. Lemmy’s great! Interoperability is terrific but I think the way information and discussion are displayed in Lemmy* is superior for deeper dives and being “in” a discussion. Not at all a knock on Mastodon, which is perfect for what it is. They’re just trying to be different things that have different strengths 😀
- PieFed and mbin too, the other “threadiverse” projects
