idk i think our incentive should be to cure diseases with public funding and make people healthy instead of for profit but what do i know

Is this better science for you?

Empirical data.

It is.

“Meat and dairy products have especially large water footprints due to the amount of water-intensive feed required to raise the animals”

yep, Europe really ought to not cave into the demand to buy up more LNG and instead focus on developing their own renewable energy base instead

wtf - the EU imported 15-20b on LNG in 2024 - how does it make any sense to increase LNG imports by 15-20 times while claiming to decarbonize? Or is the plan to just weave the 350B debt and then be left holding the proverbial LNG bag?

And this comes after: “Trade Commissioner Maroš Šefčovič is hoping his U.S. counterparts can settle on a “term sheet” that sets out a framework for talks — when the next round of tariffs takes effect.”

These could entail lowering duties, investing in American defense firms, boosting purchases of U.S. liquefied natural gas, or softening some regulations. ¹

Soo the EU is going for the classic get fucked in the ass, suck the cum out while you’re belching, burp, belch, and go back for a second helping…

You mean the ban defined by the International* (Norwegian) Holocaust Remembrance Alliance? The IHRA that defended Norway’s commemoration of the nazi Knut Hamsun? The same IHRA that defines antisemitism as “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.”?

Though I’m guessing you mean specifically “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.”

Which I thought I made pretty clear with the parallel between apartheid South Africa and apartheid Israel - just as I believe the colonial state of the US has no right to exist - so I believe that the colonial state of Israel has no right to exist either.

So when I hear people chant “From the river to the sea” - I (and solidarity scholars) don’t see that as a call to violence against Jewish people - but as a reclamation of a slogan originally conjured up by Zionists for the equal rights of everyone in the Levant independent of their religion.

Right so you would have upheld and supported the 1982 Internal Security Acts in apartheid South Africa that outlawed chants like Mayibuye iAfrika because you “respect the law”

Thanks for telling on yourself.

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Idk, this doesn’t sound like distancing tbh

I mean it sure would do more than pretending it’s not happening - but I get it - most Germans preferred to pretend they couldn’t smell the smoke either.

And again you don’t even have to risk your own safety by protesting - you could at least join a local community organizing group to help people most affected.

I’m sure you may think one person can’t make a difference but I can guarantee that even a single person more that’s helping out with mutual aid would be met with appreciation anywhere. Still good on you for financing charities - that is usually the very first step.

Also this isn’t a sprint - it’s a marathon - expecting protests now to have any immediate impact is just setting you up for failure - these fights have been fought for generations - so lock in and get ready to resist not just these 4 but the next 40 years.

And sorry if this feels overwhelming and you don’t think you have the capacity - but even doing 1 day of volunteering a month is a good starting point.

Huh, US industrialists were literally given carte blanche to support Hitler’s rise to power and it’s happening again with Muskrat bolstering far right parties across Europe.

Hell, Hitler admired the US for the way they “dealt” with the indigenous population of Turtle Island

Why try to do anything so this doesn’t happen when it’s easier to dig your head in the sand 🙃

Sure maybe they came off a bit snobby but I still don’t necessarily agree with your stance either - veganism isn’t “all about eating” - it’s a moral framework that rejects animal commodification - like my earlier example of not wearing leather or going to the zoo.

This extends to all sort of stuff - having pets, keeping bees, sheering sheep, testing on animals, etc.

Just as Islam is “more than diet choices,” veganism is far more than just a diet. The dairy farmer’s use of “vegan” would be like the pig farmer’s use of “Muslim” - both incorrectly reduce comprehensive philosophical/ethical frameworks to just their dietary components.

But yeah w/e sometimes it’s easier to use the wrong term to convey an idea - which is why I still appreciate @jerkface@lemmy.ca’s effort to clarify that here so other people can learn as well.

Tho I see we can continue this argument forever so I’m gonna dip out as I’ve got other stuff to get on with.

Idk to me it seemed like @jerkface@lemmy.ca was just trying to explain the difference between vegan and plant-based - hence “I don’t expect a dairy farmer to know better, but of course he means “plant-based”, not “vegan”. “Plant-based” is a functional description, while “vegan” is a set of moral values and their ethical consequences.”

“Since the farmer is talking about the outcome as opposed to the justification is there anything functionally different between ‘plant-based’ and “vegan” here? As in would the diet of the vegan and someone eating only ‘plant based’ look different in any way?”

So by your logic if he was a pig farmer instead and said “In the future everybody would be Muslim because we wouldn’t be able to grow pigs” - you’d say that’s splitting hairs since the outcome is functionally the same?

I feel you’re intentionally trying to misunderstand the argument.

Veganism is specifically about the moral implications of commodifying animals - plant-based is about consuming plants - so while all vegans are plant-based not all plant-based folk are vegan.

In really simple terms:

Imagine two kids who don’t eat ice cream:

The first kid doesn’t eat ice cream because they really love cows and don’t want them to be used to make milk for ice cream. This kid also won’t wear leather shoes or go to the zoo because they don’t want any animals to be used by people. This is like being vegan.

The second kid doesn’t eat ice cream just because the ice cream store closed down and there’s no ice cream to buy anymore. This kid would still eat ice cream if they could get it, and they’re fine wearing leather shoes or going to the zoo. This is like being plant-based because of economics (what the farmer was talking about).

So even though both kids end up not eating ice cream, they’re doing it for very different reasons. That’s what @jerkface@lemmy.ca was saying - the farmer was talking about a future where people would eat plant-based food because animal products would be too expensive to make, not because everyone suddenly decided to become vegan and care about animals.

Veganism is a moral philosophy that rejects the exploitation and commodification of animals.

Plant-based is a dietary choice defined in terms of high frequency of plants and low frequency of animal food consumption.

Plant-based diets may also be vegan or vegetarian but do not have to be as one may choose to eat plant-based due to personal health concerns and not animal rights ones for example.