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Cake day: July 15th, 2023

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  • I’ll bite.

    You haven’t watched the whole thing did you?

    True. For several reasons.

    First of all it was Trump who wanted and came up with the deal, why would it be “a setup and they never planned for the deal to go through”?

    That is a VERY common political method. “Stupid” suggestions that will never get accepted comes up every day for various reasons.

    1). Trump said USA gave most money to Ukraine, Z said no they didn’t, EU gave more, Trump said no we did, Z started arguing, Trump smiled, said well discuss it later, patted Z on the back.

    What was he supposed to do? Just accept it? If he does fight the lies, more people will think that Trump is right.

    Now people saw that Trump had nothing to back up his claim.

    2). Zelensky said the war was between Ukraine and Russia, and that USA could be allowed in negotiation after peace as a partner… And I think this really pissed off Vance and Trump.

    And how is that a mistake?

    3). Zelensky said that “maybe if you believe the Russian lies,” in response to one of Trump’s statements, as if he was on r/politics.

    Sounds interesting, I’d like to see that part. Can you provide a link with a timestamp? I tried finding it myself but found nothing.

    4). he trotted out those pictures, with that condescending tone, acting like Trump is just a big orange dummy that needs his kindergarten lesson in war. He literally talks to Trump like he is a child while handing him the pictures.

    It is very common to re-enact when the cameras are on. This was Trumps chance to show compassion.

    I just rewatched that bit trying to see it from your angle, and I don’t see it at. He spelled out some stuff that any world leader shouldn’t need to be told, I assume that was for the cameras.

    Although you could be right, that Zelensky is approaching Trumps childish language. But even if that is true, how is this something that would upset Trump? Most people appreciate when you use their own way of communication, except when their way is some variation of bullying.