Personally, I pirate just about everything but do buy what I like from indie devs. Bonus if it is on GOG.

Vimm’s Lair

Any idea why [email protected] is blocked and listed under political?

You literally called the vegans in lemmy communities “veganazis” and I’m not going to let that slide, it is not ok.

No it does not prove your point, I did not address “militant” vegans and “sane” vegans because I think your thoughts on this are reactionary bullshit. I don’t think you’ve even been in the vegan lemmy communities, because vegans are actual people with different views and you only want to talk about a stereotype carnists use to whine. You want nuance but don’t give it to vegans. Why? I mean you’re either a troll or misguided.

I have a non-vegan/carnist SO, I’m not the only one that dates non-vegans. My family is non-vegan. My friends in RL are all non-vegan. You apparently know all about my life even though I have never tried to convert people into a “cult” or shunned people for not being vegan. I have only talked about veganism when it is prompted, like when people were curious why I decided to switch or online when the subject comes up. Different vegans have different approaches to things. Some vegans only date other vegans.

I felt you leaned reactionary due to your take on veganism but replied anyway in good faith because your use of the word Nazi was unacceptable. Why is it a cult to not eat meat? Why am I the Nazi for wanting the animals to stop dying? The answer to me is that people who eat meat can get incredibly defensive when you point out that it is messed up what happens to animals so that they can eat meat from the grocery store. It is bad for the environment too. In order to deflect from this revelation they decide their behavior is not the problem, it is the “militant” vegans in a “cult” thinking they are better than everyone that is the problem. This is all reactionary thinking. I’ve only seen this reaction online and once in person. I would love for everyone to be a vegan but I know it is not realistic. It is not a matter of how vegans communicate, it is how people process their justification for eating meat. You can be as sweet as possible about being vegan and a carnist will still spit in your face. They don’t want to hear about veganism, they frankly don’t give a shit about animals no matter how you deliver the message to them.

Joining a vegan community exposes you to toxic trolls that are hostile to the very idea of veganism aka carnists. Their comments are eventually removed at least. Calling things you do not like Nazis is extremely poor taste. Nazis killed an estimated 17 million people. This is very serious. You are comparing Nazis to vegans who just want animals to stop dying for human consumption. More than 80 billion land animals are slaughtered for meat every year worldwide. You may not value an animal as equal to a human life, but you must admit this is messed up.

Vegans on Lemmy do get harassed, they get childish carnists coming to their threads telling vegans they are going to eat even more meat to piss them off or get called all sorts of things to provoke them into engaging in a bad faith “debate.” I remember someone saying vegans are overemotional and are unable to comprehend the great logic of eating meat. They are trolls and they need to fuck off from vegan communities.

In my personal life, I’ve had a lot of push back from my family and SO about switching to veganism. My family has tried obnoxiously to get me to eat meat, they don’t prepare my meals but felt they needed to “get these ideas out of [my] head.” And my SO makes my meals and has said it would be “easier” if I just ate what they ate especially since they find my food “gross” and “sad.” When I first went vegan my SO told me my veganism wouldn’t be a problem for them as long as I didn’t make it a problem. Shit is depressing. I pay for all groceries btw in case you were wondering about our arrangement. Sorry for ranting, it just sucks and has taken its toll.