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Almost, but vim can’t display images, doi!

That’s what catimg is for.

Sadly all those search engines directly or indirectly censor piracy results. I use DDG daily but they sadly do a lot of censoring results of various kinds, even just political.

I’m told my cute’n’calm Hexbear instance means there’s a lot of drama here I can’t see. So apologies if my tone comes off badly in the ol’ .ml context.

Rest assured I was just out for fun conversation to learn about atomic stuff :) Hope the rest of this thread ain’t too stressful.

Oof, fair enough, I certainly don’t see a lot of said ruckus. Cheers for the context.

It was a silly news article, it’s not true and was never widely practised.

You sailed into the UK in a small boat, during the period at which the country is at it’s most fascistic mouth-frothing about people arriving by small boats. Blame right-wingers.

Because I was being told the pros outweight the cons, and if I can get a better OS, then I want it? I feel like it was a reasonable question and we had a good conversation out of it.

I also put ‘normal’ in quotes myself, I obviously meant a non-atomic Fedora.

I feel like you’re coming across unnecessarily dismissively here, when I was just out for a nice conversation on the benefit of atomic setups (and got two! :) ).

This is very cool, and I can suddenly see atomic being useful for certain circumstances. Won’t be using it for my personal computer main driver, but hopping/resetting this is easily attracts me so. Thank you!

Thank you for the informative response! :)

saying don’t mention stability is proving the point

My point is that stability is already 100% fine for me now. So saying you’ll make my already rock-solid experience somehow more stable is meaningless. As a power user for over a decade, I’ve personally experienced zero issues where I wished Fedora was somehow more stable. It’s like telling me that Silverblue connects to the internet - Like yes, I already have that.

From what I’m reading, it sounds like the singular ‘pro’ is being forced to do cleaner, more self-contained practices. I can totally see how that would be helpful for some people. But personally, I would genuinely despise that kind of restriction.

I’m admittedly the kind of person who hates being forced to do the ‘best practice’ thing. I’m genuinely happy that my Linux distro will me rm -rf the root partition (with an ‘are you sure’ prompt these days :) ). I’m happy that if I really want to purge the kernel package with dnf, then I can. I want (and kind of need) my freedom to make a mess, if I tell Linux to jump, it will goddamn jump, even if it’s a bad practice technically terrible decision. I have zero interest in going all around the houses just to do it the technically correct (and sometimes less-effort-in-the-long-run) way. If I ever want a clean plate, I can still spin up a container just like you’re saying.

So I get the feeling that atomic is very much not for me, which is what I suspected :) Very glad that people like yourself find it an improvement, that’s what flavours are for!

Thanks for the response, though up to this sentence I’m hearing extra busywork and slow/annoying containerising, in exchange for vague security platitude and a tool which I can already use.

It’s also nice to be able to rebase your distro whenever you want to try out different spins and features, makes inter-fedora atomic distro hopping easy without destroying your configs.

I’m interested by this. Is there a uniqueness to Atomic setups such that you can (more easily) keep your user partition, GNOME configs, etc. and swap out the Fedora distro underneath?

once it clicks, the pros far outweigh the cons

I would love to hear a pro about atomic distros that isn’t some vague platitude about security or stability. I have zero security/stability problems on my ‘normal’ Fedora.

As someone who has steadfastly avoided atomic distros because it sounds like an arseache and the last thing I want is more busywork. Convince me to switch!

Very fun, I’ve been rocking Fedora workstation for years. If Fedora could take off as the gaming distro that’d be great, I’ll get even more up-to-date top-notch graphics drivers without having to change distros

Exercise, board games, write, read a book you already own, socialise with housemates/neighbours, do any of a billion hobbies, do anything where you only have to walk to the place. Go for a walk, go foraging, sit in the sun, do some gardening, plant some seeds from your own fruit, volunteer somewhere local, draw stuff, craft stuff, daydream, do some puzzles, do some DIY repairs.

I’m not saying these things are ideal, some will be more possible than others due to circumstances. But I mean it did take two minutes to come up with that list of (typically) enjoyable stuff to do in your leisure time that has net neutral or even net positive environment impact.

I don’t think it’s good nor correct to say the phone usage is the second best possible ‘leisure’ thing you can do with your life for environmental impact. Depending on how granular one got, it wouldn’t even make #100.

This is the funny thing, Capitalism basically ensures, even if it were magically practical, it still wouldn’t work. Even in utopia, where everyone was super-pooper efficient and saved 99% electricity usage overnight, just one profit-seeking business (and they’re all profit seeking businesses) would buy up all the cheap electricity, use their enormous energy advantage to make a bazillion dollars, and use so much power that we’d go right back to 100% (or more) electricity consumption.

The narrative of the ‘if every individual did <x>’ is pure myth. Systemic problems can only be solved by systemic solutions.

How fast will your heart be beating when YOUR BLOOD BOILS INSIDE YOU, HUH?!

“you can look it up” provides no specific details.

It is true, the beetle is the Regimbartia attenuata. There’s a paper on the idea of active escape post-predator-contact https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982220308423

I mean sure, but it’ll still likely leave 'em scratching their heads for a while before they go “I guess I just… replace the semicolon…?”

This behaviour is precisely why I stopped using Gmail. My account got locked one day - phone number and recovery email weren’t “enough” to recover, all appeals rejected, that’s it. Lost all my emails, all the stuff in my gdrive, just gone forever. There is literally no way to escalate other than doing a lawsuit. I make sure now to never have my data with a company that can just arbitrarily lock you out and completely ignore you.

We have strong evidence to the contrary. Cats only meow to humans, not to other cats. So they know we’re fundamentally different.