The European Commission says 18 EU countries have so far applied for billions of euros from a new defense fund aimed at helping Europe provide for its own security.
I love this, Trump threw a hissy fit, and now the US MIC looses out on billions every year, and as Europes arms industry grows stronger, the US will see rising costs of their own arms, while European equipment will become cheaper.
As a Canadian I look forward to hopefully being the recipient of well built EU armament, and not some shitty U.S. planes that continually fail and have remote disable buttons.
Did you miss when VdL signed an agreement with Trump to invest >500b in the US, while agreeing to have tariffs on EU products and not US products, while also completely being dependant on US energy exports?
However this situation is temporary, the trust lost in US as a reliable military supplier is bordering on permanent.
With Trump, the US political system has shown just how unstable it can be, and with the US playing an active part of how their modern weapon systems get mission data, even when the system in question is owned and operated by another nation, any nation contemplating buying US arms will have to consider the long term stability of US politics in a way they never did before.
Sure, let’s stick it to the US because they are imperialist capitalist assholes and elected a Cheeto fart (twice).
What do we get in return though? An enormous pile of debt, which will inevitably go towards increasing inequality like these things tend to do. Militarised Europe with a toothless corrupt government and disjointed member states. Worsening relations with the most war hungry nations in the world. Brilliant!
I’m not saying it’s the wrong move but I find it hard to love any of it. We’re talking about wars, international tension, instability and unpredictability.
All of geopolitics is hard to love arguably. But here we are, condoning it, because it’s happening, whether we like it or not, and it would be nice to have a say in it.
Yes, I get it, both your and @stoy 's response. It’s why I say I don’t think it’s the wrong move considering. it just feels like the world is moving backwards. I grew up in a mostly demilitarised, increasingly inclusive Europe, naively believing we’re moving past all that crap. Yes, it seems I wasn’t a very bright child.
I love this, Trump threw a hissy fit, and now the US MIC looses out on billions every year, and as Europes arms industry grows stronger, the US will see rising costs of their own arms, while European equipment will become cheaper.
As a Canadian I look forward to hopefully being the recipient of well built EU armament, and not some shitty U.S. planes that continually fail and have remote disable buttons.
I hope we supply the EU some of our quality armaments, while receiving theirs in equal measure.
And the money spent on weapons inside the EU stays in the EU which boosts our economy.
Did you miss when VdL signed an agreement with Trump to invest >500b in the US, while agreeing to have tariffs on EU products and not US products, while also completely being dependant on US energy exports?
Nope, I did notice that, and it is a shit deal.
However this situation is temporary, the trust lost in US as a reliable military supplier is bordering on permanent.
With Trump, the US political system has shown just how unstable it can be, and with the US playing an active part of how their modern weapon systems get mission data, even when the system in question is owned and operated by another nation, any nation contemplating buying US arms will have to consider the long term stability of US politics in a way they never did before.
Sure, let’s stick it to the US because they are imperialist capitalist assholes and elected a Cheeto fart (twice).
What do we get in return though? An enormous pile of debt, which will inevitably go towards increasing inequality like these things tend to do. Militarised Europe with a toothless corrupt government and disjointed member states. Worsening relations with the most war hungry nations in the world. Brilliant!
I’m not saying it’s the wrong move but I find it hard to love any of it. We’re talking about wars, international tension, instability and unpredictability.
What we get instead is increased influence and increased independence.
All of geopolitics is hard to love arguably. But here we are, condoning it, because it’s happening, whether we like it or not, and it would be nice to have a say in it.
Yes, I get it, both your and @stoy 's response. It’s why I say I don’t think it’s the wrong move considering. it just feels like the world is moving backwards. I grew up in a mostly demilitarised, increasingly inclusive Europe, naively believing we’re moving past all that crap. Yes, it seems I wasn’t a very bright child.