Summary
European officials are preparing a multibillion-dollar defense package to bolster regional security and support Ukraine, announced by German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock at the Munich Security Conference.
The package, potentially valued up to 700 billion euros, will fund military training, arms deliveries, and security guarantees amid concerns over Russian aggression and diminishing U.S. contributions to NATO.
The move follows calls for Europe to boost its own defense spending while U.S.-Russian talks, which exclude Ukraine and Europe, on ending the Ukraine conflict continue.
Where was this three years ago? Europe wants to make sure every last Ukrainian man is thrown into the meat grinder.
Our leaders have been too complacent, for what I think is a simple reason: It’s easier to depend on the Americans so your own national budget doesn’t take a hit and cause you to lose the next election.
Now that we’ve seen that the US is an unreliable ally and (rightfully) wants to reduce its’ own military aid spending, they’re hopefully seeing the bigger picture.
But why did Europe wait for America to bail before suddenly pulling a trillion dollars out of their pocket?
If Ukraine was supposed to win Europe should have thought about ponying up that cash a bit sooner.
Because they didn’t need to. As long as the United States was spending money on their truly vast military and was using that military capacity to defend Ukraine there was no requirement for any other the country do anything.
Now that the US has decided to become a pawn of Russia, it has become important.
They did need to. Ukraine is losing the war bigtime. They needed more weapons at the start before Russia ramped up production.
If Europe sent the weapons at the start they could have broken the stalemate. Filling the American deficit does nothing to help Ukraine win.
Why did they wait? Because if all this support started on day 1, a lot of folks would have feared nuclear retaliation and there is no way back from that.
The Russo-Ukrainian conflict is too complex to use your oversimplified perspective, and thus only useful to throw oil on the fire. There are serious nuclear threats, Putin’s unpredictable actions, it also involves many (very different) countries standing up against tyranny. The bureaucracy may be slow in its responses, but efforts are being made to ensure careful moves that prevent escalation. Labeling European leadership as bloodthirsty is misleading in my eyes; they are actively working to protect democracy.
Why would you think European leadership aiming for more dead Ukrainians? Why would they still provide financial and humanitarian support? And increase it now?
So you are saying Europe does not want Ukraine to win because then Russia uses Nukes…
We (EU) should have unleashed our defense industry 3 years ago. Hopefully, the US MIC received the message, their profits are going to sink unless the orange turd starts to provide military aid to fucking Russia.
In a way, it’s what I was hoping would happen. The US backs off its own defense spending and stops acting like the world police force. The flip side of that is that Europe and the rest of the world picks up their own defense.
What I had in mind as an end game is that the US would be at a table of equals. That’s not at all what this is.
Not saying it’s not the right thing to do, but I hope America is ready for the loss of jobs that will come with scaling back the military. There will be a lot of associated small businesses and stuff you wouldn’t have thought of that will also get defunded outside of direct military spending.
The answer to that is we pick it up in other ways, like universal health care or building schools, which would benefit the economy in other ways. There’s nothing special about military spending that makes it more effective at Keynesian economics than anything else. In fact, it’s probably worse.
Not that Keynesian economics was anything other than keeping capitalism going past its expiration date, of course.
Universal healthcare and building schools in this brave new America? They are killing off “woke” spending on renewables so I would not hold your breath for the former.
I think the reality is that new destitute communities will be created next to the former factories that used to supply the MIC.
Well, there are some in the EU who are hoping to bargain with Trump so that we reduce our import taxes on American cars (US has them at 2.5%, we have them at 10%, so we’ve been doing exactly what Trump is trying to do, at a smaller scale), buy more weaponry from them and as the US ramps up its’ gas production, we could buy more of that from them as well - if Trump in return does not put 25% tariffs on everything made in the EU.
It’s not a bad deal for either side, really, though it sorta defers the whole making more of our own weaponry part of trying to be more independent of the US. And I’m sure both the automakers and MIC would do what’s in their power to persuade Trump to take it.
Please factor in Putin. The EU is under a two prong attack from the USA and Russia and any reasonable or fair deals will be ignored. When you examine the US auto manufacturers, they have nothing to offer for the majority of consumers in the EU. We could apply 0% tariffs to US manufactured automobiles and they would end up sitting at the dealerships.
Hey I’m American and I’m all for EU paying for the war in perpetuity and for our mic sinking all the way to the bottom on Mariana trench.
What’s mic?
About time they pull their weight
lol whyyy Ukraine’s cooked why are we shoving more public funds up the US’ ass? Genuinely what are they hoping to accomplish?
found another fascist.
The reality that Ukraine is cooked for the next several decades by any sensible metric is independent of any ideology, it’s just fact. It’s over, it’s done, Russia will get what they want and the US will get a neocolony, aka what they want.
The only thing I don’t get is why we still finance lockheed martin? jk I think I have an idea for why UVDL is still hellbent on getting as much as possible out of public coffers and into the hands of foreign private investors.
Well, Ukraine quite recently rejected Trump’s neocolonial proposal.
Which, for some reason, Biden has forgotten to even send …so maybe part of the US doesn’t really want that kind of stuff. ¹
…and well, the title describes European countries rushing to turn the page on Trump - assemble about three (maybe four) times the resources the US has thrown in, worth about six or seven Russian annual defense budgets. It seems a move that’s not only intended to help Ukraine repel Russia, but end defense dependence on the US, on the premise that the partner no longer is reliable.
¹ IMHO, it’s just that the US has so much power invested in one damn person and an electoral system that prevents diversity. Which is tragic. :(
It seems a move that’s not only intended to help Ukraine repel Russia, but end defense dependence on the US, on the premise that the partner no longer is reliable.
Which is a good thing IMO. From this side of the large pond the USA looks more and more like a bully on par with Russia and China.
East of UA is fucked for decades but Russia is fucked too. Both countries burnt through quite a lot of their arsenal from Soviet times and struggle to keep their troops supplied. UA has it easier because the European countries help with weapons, munitions and other equipment.
Unfortunately Russia can sustain the current attrition rate by another 5-10 years before the situation becomes truly unbearable for them. My fear is that by then the UA might have collapsed.
The best case scenario is that Putin dies shortly and his successor ends this stupid war.
