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  • Russia’s demands similar to earlier terms presented to US, say sources
  • Demands include no NATO membership for Kyiv, no foreign troops in Ukraine
  • Unclear if Putin will engage seriously in peace talks
  • Biden administration discussed demands prior to Ukraine invasion
  • seeigel@feddit.orgEnglish
    14·
    20 hours ago

    Which strategic advantage lies in conquering Ukraine? Russia doesn’t need land. The future center of civilisation lies in Eastasia. Why waste resources in the west?

    Conquering Kyiv for nostalgic reasons is stupid. I don’t think that Putin thinks like that.

    • troed@fedia.io
      5·
      19 hours ago

      Ukraine is the “bread basket” of Europe. There are multiple resource reasons for why Russia would like to make sure to include Ukraine.

      You come off as a Putin apologist.

      • seeigel@feddit.orgEnglish
        13·
        19 hours ago

        Yes, I know that it’s not socially advantagious to have these arguments. The good thing about lemmy is that it is nevertheless possible to have them.

        I only know of one reason for imperial conquest: that there is gas at the Krim and Ukraine would threaten the Russian monopoly on energy supply for Europe.

        To me, that is not motivation enough for the war.

        • troed@fedia.io
          3·
          18 hours ago

          This was what you wrote:

          Russia is fighting this war to prevent troops in Ukraine. There is nothing unclear.

          The only way to believe the above is if your only source of information comes straight from the Russian troll factories and you never actively seek out opposing view points.

          I just told you Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe. Did you check that up? How much grain has Russia stolen so far from Ukraine?

          I told you about Putin’s ambition to recreate a Russian empire. That’s his legacy. The invasion of Georgia in 2008 is as much part of that as the start of the Ukraine war in 2014.

          I’ve pointed out that Nato has had troops stationed as close to Moscow as Ukraine is for decades. Did you know?

          So, no. Russia hasn’t invaded Ukraine over no “western expansion”, or “Ukrainian nazi regime”. It’s a straight up land grab, including erasing of the Ukrainian national identity (feel free to look up what has been done in the occupied areas on that).

          So, are you discussing here in good fate or not?