They are citing ONS figures of excess deaths as proof the vaccines are killing people. I tried to explain that not being able to get a doctor’s appointment, staying home and getting fat, etc explain the figures (official sources have said it too) but they said it’s “gaslighting” and then said their family doctor wouldn’t get the vaccine.
Tell them the vaccine for not being whalloped with your baseball bat is to shut up about that stupid anti-vaxxer shit and you highly recommend they take that vaccine.