• mgnome@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    Ukraine, not Russia, represents an existential threat to humanity.

    Oh fuck off, Scott Ritter.

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      This is a riot, I bet you wish Scott Ritter was the least of your worries. This blubbering man who still worships the American military, and can only state his objections to war in libertarian terms e.g. threat of nuclear war & taxpayer spending. No, it’s just that to express common sense in the American political establishment you first need to cross over into nationalist neocon psycho territory, or be labelled a traitor, especially by the post-Obama left that would make Joe McCarthy blush with their persecutory fantasies. You people are so beyond fucked.

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        Any state with working nuclear weapons and delivery systems represent a threat to humanity.
        Considering the corruption, misuse and theft, maybe Russia really does not fit that bill.

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      12 days ago

      The base houses strategic nuclear bombers, and the reason the bombers were in the open is due to Russian compliance with the START treaty. This isn’t disarming Russia in any way that helps Ukraine, and it’s a massive escalation of the proxy war between NATO and Russia.

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        the reason the bombers were in the open is due to Russian compliance with the START treaty.

        First, Russia suspended it’s participation in new START

        Second, are you sure that’s a requirement of the treaty?

        The only relevant article I could find is the following (emphasis mine):

        Article X

        1. For the purpose of ensuring verification of compliance with the provisions of this Treaty, each Party undertakes: (a) to use national technical means of verification at its disposal in a manner consistent with generally recognized principles of international law; (b) not to interfere with the national technical means of verification of the other Party operating in accordance with this Article; and © not to use concealment measures that impede verification, by national technical means of verification, of compliance with the provisions of this Treaty.
        2. The obligation not to use concealment measures includes the obligation not to use them at test ranges, including measures that result in the concealment of ICBMs, SLBMs, ICBM launchers, or the association between ICBMs or SLBMs and their launchers during testing. The obligation not to use concealment measures shall not apply to cover or concealment practices at ICBM bases or to the use of environmental shelters for strategic offensive arms.

        Looks to me like plane hangars are allowed while the tires on planes that they actually used are illegal as they don’t protect against the weather and just exist to fool bad satellite images.

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        Destroying planes that have been, and would otherwise have continued to be used for, launching missiles at Ukraine… that doesn’t help Ukraine?

        Brb, gonna shoot at my neighbor. But I’ll put my gun back in a gun safe afterward so no one will do anything about it.

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            I agree, I should be allowed to keep all of my completely identical guns after shooting at my neighbor, so long as they were put away properly.

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              I’ll explain this again, since you’re a little slow. The bombers Russia uses to attack Ukraine are housed in hangars to prevent this sort of thing from happening. The reason these bombers were in the open is because Russia was respecting the START treaty with the US. Seems like engaging with the basic facts of the situation is not something they teach at the troll academy.

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          Russia shares a border with Ukraine from which it can use medium-range systems to deliver missiles much more reliably and with fewer risks. Attacking nuclear bombers is a stupid escalation that could see the rest of us engulfed in nuclear fire, you fucking dumbass.

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              Except nuclear bombers in Siberia are not being used to launch anything into Ukraine. This is just bullshit you’re spewing because you’re a troll.

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                I’ll give you a hypothetical. Your car is set on fire. You loved that car, maintained it daily, polished it like it was your own sexual organ that lacks a clitoris. Once you get over your grief, you remember the 3 identical cars in identical condition that you keep at your other houses. Would you consider moving one of those to the house you’re using?

                It might be difficult to move something heavy, like a car, from one location to another but if you really wanted to, you might find a way irl. For this hypothetical, we’ll just say that you’ve figured out how to move the car from one location to another.

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                  One has to have a brain as smooth as a bowling ball to believe that Russia shuttles their strategic nuclear bombers from Siberia and back just to bomb Ukraine. Not to mention that the point of those bombers is for them to be used in case of a nuclear war with the US. If Russia actually did what you’re suggesting then they’d be exposing themselves to a first strike while their nuclear bombers were away. You are completely and utterly clueless, and frankly should be deeply embarrassed by the misogynistic word salad you wrote there. I recommend going back to reddit where you can hang out with individuals who engage at your intellectual level.

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            Your interest in America is fine, but suggesting something unrelated to the conversation as though it were a gotcha, only to be told “do it”, and then take that as vindication is the silliest thing I’ve read this week, and I’ve read what I’ve written.

            To reiterate, I understand and agree with your political message, but, like, don’t blurt it out at random, irrelevant times if you want to be taken seriously.

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    They hit parked military aircraft. If they are not allowed to hit military targets during war, what are they alllowed to hit?

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        I did look up who “Yves Smith” was before posting, and agree that the take seemed odd for someone supposedly neutral and objective. Nevertheless, the content of the article speaks for itself and reads like insidious Russian propaganda masking as geopolitical analysis. So I decided to make my comment anyway.

        Then I looked up someone who she quoted and gave a 1/3rd of this article to - Scott Ritter. Gotta be some kind of joke if you believe incorporating his perspective is not pro-Russian shill bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

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          I did look up who “Yves Smith” was before posting

          See, I don’t think you’ve ever looked up anything before posting, that’s the issue.

          Ok, so Scott Ritter is untrustworthy regarding Ukraine, proven by the fact that he’s not unabashedly pro-Ukraine? Do y’all even hear how religious y’all get about the State Department line? You’re only worth listening to if you’re madly pro-Ukraine, up until the point you’re not, and then you’re a Putin shill.

          The west isn’t sending their best.

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            Did you read the article in this post?

            One move is to unleash its missiles and take out “decision centers” as in Kiev and the electrical grid in most if not all of Western Ukraine. Russia now needs to prostrate Ukraine.

            It’s not just “not unabashedly pro-Ukraine”, it repeats Russian propaganda word for word. That “decision center” is such a Russian propaganda cliche it hurts, not to mention later “Donald Trump should choose Russia to save the world” from Ritter.

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              Lmao, thank you.

              Gotta love .ml critical thinking faculties. I link directly to a Wikipedia article about the views of Scott Ritter (to whom Susan Webber decided to give 1/3rd of the space of her article), where he is literally identified as a contributor to Russia Today and Sputnik, and I’m downvoted for calling a Russian shill a Russian shill. chefs kiss to .ml

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      Tides are turning in Ukraine too. Russia is collapsing and putin and all his supporters will pay the appropriate price.

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        I was in elementary school when Russia was about to collapse

        Started high school right when Russia was collapsing

        Now I’m in uni, knowing Russia is on the verge of collapse

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          Mmm… yes? Empires take time to collapse, usually multiple generations. What keep russia alive is war and oil.

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      years gave us a booboo You want peace and for your strategic bombers to not go boomboom?

      I stg y’all get more infantile with every passing day. Talk like a normal adult jfc.

      years gave us a booboo

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      I fully agree with your comment.

      Slava Ukraini - and may Loser Putin and his oligarchs - and all oligarchs worldwide - get what they deserve.