I’m admittedly yelling at cloud a bit here, but I like package managers just fine. I don’t want to have to have a plurality of software management tools. However, I also don’t want to be caught off guard in the future if applications I rely on begin releasing exclusively with flatpak.

I don’t develop distributed applications, but Im not understanding how it simplifies dependency management. Isn’t it just shifting the work into the app bundle? Stuff still has to be updated or replaced all the time, right?

Don’t maintainers have to release new bundles if they contain dependencies with vulnerabilities?

Is it because developers are often using dependencies that are ahead of release versions?

Also, how is it so much better than images for your applications on Docker Hub?

Never say never, I guess, but nothing about flatpak really appeals to my instincts. I really just want to know if it’s something I should adopt, or if I can continue to blissfully ignore.

  • warmaster@lemmy.world
    31·
    8 hours ago

    You’re just not the target user.

    The whole OCI mindset is geared towards absolute noobs like me, and cloud native devs that develop inside containers on a daily basis.

    Take me for example. I use Bazzite, it’s the first distro I couldn’t break. On top of that, flatpaks, appimages and brew are my only options for software. Since Bazzite is an atomic distro (think immutable ) I could also use Distrobox but I don’t want to deal with it.

    Everything just works for me, I don’t care about anything. I broke so many distros before. Sure, I don’t control every nut and cranny but I don’t want to.

    If you know how to not break your stuff then that’s great, but I don’t, and I don’t want to learn that. I just want to learn other things.

    • AmbiguousProps@lemmy.todayEnglish
      5·
      5 hours ago

      Not to be that person, but you aren’t restricted to those solutions for software, that’s what rpm-ostree is there for. It layers applications over your system image and installs software in a similar manner to a “normal” package manager.

      • notanapple@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        4 hours ago

        rpm-ostree is intended to be the last resort because layering causes issues with updates and other things

      • chingadera@lemmy.world
        3·
        5 hours ago

        I’ve used it here and there when there is no other option, still no problems yet for the OS itself, but I have run into issues installing certain things, most likely due to my lack of knowledge.

        I think I may be giving arch another shot soon as my needs have changed and it was so godamn close to everything I needed.

    • untorquer@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 hours ago

      I just use it if the package/dependencies aren’t available or functional in the default arch repo. I like to be able to turn nuts and bolts but also avoid it when it’s inconvenient.

      2 package managers is fine for me.