Summary
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced that Britain and France will develop a Ukraine peace plan independent of US-Russia talks, following Donald Trump’s hostile meeting with Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Starmer coordinated with French President Emmanuel Macron and other allies to support Ukraine and repair strained ties with Washington.
Meanwhile, the UK signed a £2.3bn loan deal to fund Ukrainian arms purchases.
Starmer emphasized the need for American cooperation and expressed skepticism about Vladimir Putin’s commitment to any agreement.
Peace deals are great and everything. But at this point, with Russia’s proven record of reneging on agreements and general fuckery, the primary focus should be on protecting Ukraine, Poland, etc without any cooperation from the US, and ramping up resources and military expertise for Ukraine.
I would say getting Ukraine into NATO should be a massive priority too, but that’s dead in the water with Trump effectively having veto power. So if anything it’s time to accept that NATO as we know it is dead, and to form a replacement organization featuring Europe (including the UK), Canada, and maybe Mexico.
NATO is dead. Create WDO (World defense organization) and get rid of the ability for a single nation to veto actions. So tired of the US or Russia vetoing meaningful actions at the UN or NATO. We need to avoid making that same mistake.
The permanent veto holding members of the security council are specifically those countries capable of starting a nuclear conflict. Those vetos are expressly for reducing the risk of that happening. Not saying the world can’t do better today, but let’s remember why it is the way it is.
World Police?
Unironically yes. Nations shouldn’t invade other nations and there should be a world organization to defend nations when that happens. And the US should no longer have “favored son” status within it.
Global Defense Initiative (GDI)
Russias foreign assets all need to be progressively liquidated and relinquished until they fuck off, and then backstabbed and all sold regardless of any deal so they understand what happens when they fuck around with any further dirty tricks going forward. Any plane containing Puttin needs to be shot on site and sight like they did recently to that Azjerbain passenger plane. Literally a terrorist mafia state that needs to be spanked to death
I think the UK at least has talked about putting troops on the ground as part of a peace deal which is huge.
The waning influence of America is a positive development in the long run. Hopefully, they can find a solution to address the short-term challenges.
I don’t think it’s positive for peace. The pax-Americana has been one of the most peaceful times in all of history. Without them we are likely to go back to big countries picking on small countries again and other small regional conflicts as there is no recourse for doing so.
The desire for keeping “good old times” of pax-America are exactly what Trump is leveraging to extract more juice out of Europe and others.
Time to get out of this abusive relationship, and face the challenges in real life.
I think it’s the exact opposite, he’s tearing down all the sources of soft power and goodwill that this peace was based on. He’s going back to the merchantilist and imperialist “every man for himself” strategies of the 1800s.
It’s positive for the rest of the world, not so much for America.
not so much for America
Not necessarily, a more equal world and no-longer-exceptional America would give more common people an opportunity to better see the weakness in the political and redistribution system, and creating opportunities for fundamental change. That can be a painful process but for the long term good.
In the long term, it will mean America will have a weaker position at every bargaining table. From trade deals, to immigration, to military engagement. And sure, in a lot, if not most cases, that’s better for the world. For the US it will mean more hardship and more poverty, leading to more crime, leading to more right wing extremism. And unlike unwinding the Soviet Union, when America unwinds, there’s going to be and axis of China and Russia waiting to step on everyone else. Russia isn’t building enough guns to defeat Ukraine, they’re aiming to build enough to defeat Europe. And they know they couldn’t do it if America were there as a back stop. He’s also counting on the EU being too afraid to send nukes.
Just don’t invite Putin, it should be easy to come to a reasonable plan with Zelenskyy if Putin isn’t there.
/sWe actually should invite him. We need this to be better than the extortion attempt that America made. What we need to do is just include a genuine mutual defence clause for Ukraine in the deal.
At which point do these stalwarts of rules-based international relations also arrest Putin for the outstanding ICC warrant?
In an ideal world, immediately. But ultimately I would personally prefer a peace that Ukraine finds acceptable to justice being served against Putin, if we can only have one
It was sarcasm, you can’t negotiate peace with just the one side. What Trump attempted was always considered moronic by everybody, except Putin and Trump. Obviously Putin is super happy if USA ends support of Ukraine. He was never really interested in the peace talks anyway, it’s just for show.
But despite is being sarcasm, Putin is a wanted war criminal, which does raise questions about his legitimacy.
