Not at all. She went too far right and a lot of people stayed home. Cuz one republican is as good as another. They both fuckin suck at literally everything. Except fucking up the economy. Republicans are great at that.
Uh… The ICE haven’t been created out of thin air in January… You just ignored them before because it was a democrat in the adminstration.
What constitutes “far right?”
Funding genocide in Palestine, running the ICE and deporting more immigrants than trump did in 2016 (look it up), maintaining the military industrial complex, increasing rates of homelessness and prices of healthcare and rent and tuition…
Under Biden ICE wasn’t sending people to extraterritorial prisons without due process.
No, only Guantanamo operated that way. ICE was still a concentration camp though. Really grasping at straws aren’t we?
So, the existence of Ukraine, homelessness and high prices equal “Nazi?”
Maintaining Nazi policy of genocide in Gaza (failed to mention that one I see), and of economic and police violence (1 in 4 black males above 30 years old have been through the prison system in the US) is Nazi, yes.
It’s incredible that blueMAGA think that denying the Democrats role in the Gaza genocide does anything other than show everyone that they’re wilfully dishonest.
Migrant detention centers and prisons were a focus within the “build back better” set of legislature and the ICE raids and campus crackdowns I’m assuming you are referencing are a continuation of the Biden administration’s crackdown from well over a year ago.
If you’re just referencing Guantanamo bay as a migrant detention center then every president since 1974 has been guilty of concentration camps.
By that definition the Nazi death camps weren’t concentration camps, nor is anything Trump or Biden having done “concentration camps”.
A 5 minute hearing within a detention center does allow for an appeal, and is used by those with enough wealth/privilege/etc. However I suspect that isn’t what you meant, can you expand on that definition?
Edit: I realized there was also another interpretation which is that all jails, detention centers, police vehicles, etc. are concentration camps.
Is the argument “getting sent to” or “getting returned from”, 2nd argument is stronger but still a bad definition for the same reasons. The legal argument is that you can’t de-deport someone and it’s the responsibility of the other party to deport them back to the USA if they have been mistakenly deported. That being said maybe said laws and deportations in general are a fucked up concept to begin with?
It was an incredibly corrupt process (like most appeals processes are) but most famously it was the legal mechanism by which Oskar Schindler was able to protect his workers and expand his workforce.
I don’t think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
Then you believe in a system where you can be sent to a place where there is no appeal process to return.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
Agreed!
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
That’s kind of like saying “There were no judges or appeals processes for prisons in 21st century America, there were only plea deals made by law firms whose hands needed greasing.” It’s not functionally wrong, but it is technically and legally laughable.
The appeal process within occupied Poland was that first you needed to appeal to your local Judenräte who would negotiate on your behalf to the German occupation authorities. Except most of the time the individual was left out of the process and it was simply negotiations between the Judenräte and the Occupation authority. They were explicitly setup as judges within a form of lower court to manage these sorts of things and one of their strongest forms of resistance was to aquire documentation (sometimes falsified) in order to get those already within the ghettos to be classified as “mischlinge” and allowed out of the ghetto.
Wouldn’t call it a majority. But it’s a bloc that dems cannot win without. That bloc has also been lied to for literally our entire lives. Grown jaded. And won’t vote for empty promises anymore.
Support for universal health care or medicare for all. Biden said he’d veto medicare for all if it came to his desk. Obama wanted it.
Two state solution, keeping Netenyahu on a leash, and sucking off AIPAC. Pretty different performances. Netenyahu and Obama hated each other, while Biden did whatever Netenyahu wanted, when he wanted, to whatever degree he wanted.
While we’re at it, Biden acted in support of war crimes and violated the geneva conventions and Obama didnt. Seems like a solid policy difference.
Afghanistan. Obama trusted what his generals said about pulling out being bad for the region. Biden just wanted out.
Corporations and the rich as the dems almost sole focus under Biden while Obama ran on yes we can and hope for the people, and bread and butter issues. Biden didnt give a crap about the people. Obama centered his platform around youth. Biden targetted the elderly and the rich and lost the youth.
in the budget cliff showdowns Obama was all in favor of going over the fiscal cliff and letting the tax cuts for the rich expire, and Biden was not and went behind Obama back.
Obama pushed immigration policies which favored paths to citizenship for immigrants, where Biden locked the border down trump style.
Obama beleived in civil rights and was hailed as the best civil rights president since LBJ. Biden was a fascism fetishist who increased cop funding after defund+reallocate came to Washington, and who authored civil asset forfeiture laws which are blatantly unconstitutional.
Obama cut military spending and got pilloried for it. Biden increased it.
I wanted so much more from Obama and he turned out to be more conseravtive than I would have hoped, but Obama looks like Ghandi compared to Biden. And Biden looks more like Strom Thurmond and Donald Trumps love child.
Not at all. She went too far right and a lot of people stayed home. Cuz one republican is as good as another. They both fuckin suck at literally everything. Except fucking up the economy. Republicans are great at that.
Campaigning with the daughter of a minor demon didn’t help either
Major demon*
Compared to the Demons we’ve got now? Pretty fucking minor IMHO.
Nah, I’m not accepting that kind of Dick Cheney rehabilitation. That man is one of the most evil men to ever hold power in the US.
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Biden built the camps Trump is using. Check yourself.
Uh… The ICE haven’t been created out of thin air in January… You just ignored them before because it was a democrat in the adminstration.
Funding genocide in Palestine, running the ICE and deporting more immigrants than trump did in 2016 (look it up), maintaining the military industrial complex, increasing rates of homelessness and prices of healthcare and rent and tuition…
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No, only Guantanamo operated that way. ICE was still a concentration camp though. Really grasping at straws aren’t we?
Maintaining Nazi policy of genocide in Gaza (failed to mention that one I see), and of economic and police violence (1 in 4 black males above 30 years old have been through the prison system in the US) is Nazi, yes.
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Just accept you don’t care about genocide as long as it’s a democrat enacting it, we’ll be over quicker
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It’s incredible that blueMAGA think that denying the Democrats role in the Gaza genocide does anything other than show everyone that they’re wilfully dishonest.
What is your definition of “concentration camps”?
Migrant detention centers and prisons were a focus within the “build back better” set of legislature and the ICE raids and campus crackdowns I’m assuming you are referencing are a continuation of the Biden administration’s crackdown from well over a year ago.
If you’re just referencing Guantanamo bay as a migrant detention center then every president since 1974 has been guilty of concentration camps.
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By that definition the Nazi death camps weren’t concentration camps, nor is anything Trump or Biden having done “concentration camps”.
A 5 minute hearing within a detention center does allow for an appeal, and is used by those with enough wealth/privilege/etc. However I suspect that isn’t what you meant, can you expand on that definition?
Edit: I realized there was also another interpretation which is that all jails, detention centers, police vehicles, etc. are concentration camps.
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Is the argument “getting sent to” or “getting returned from”, 2nd argument is stronger but still a bad definition for the same reasons. The legal argument is that you can’t de-deport someone and it’s the responsibility of the other party to deport them back to the USA if they have been mistakenly deported. That being said maybe said laws and deportations in general are a fucked up concept to begin with?
It was an incredibly corrupt process (like most appeals processes are) but most famously it was the legal mechanism by which Oskar Schindler was able to protect his workers and expand his workforce.
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Then you believe in a system where you can be sent to a place where there is no appeal process to return.
Agreed!
That’s kind of like saying “There were no judges or appeals processes for prisons in 21st century America, there were only plea deals made by law firms whose hands needed greasing.” It’s not functionally wrong, but it is technically and legally laughable.
The appeal process within occupied Poland was that first you needed to appeal to your local Judenräte who would negotiate on your behalf to the German occupation authorities. Except most of the time the individual was left out of the process and it was simply negotiations between the Judenräte and the Occupation authority. They were explicitly setup as judges within a form of lower court to manage these sorts of things and one of their strongest forms of resistance was to aquire documentation (sometimes falsified) in order to get those already within the ghettos to be classified as “mischlinge” and allowed out of the ghetto.
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Wouldn’t call it a majority. But it’s a bloc that dems cannot win without. That bloc has also been lied to for literally our entire lives. Grown jaded. And won’t vote for empty promises anymore.
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So they dodge the support of Progressives and lose because of it? Sounds like they need to support progressive policies. Like Obama did.
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Why 5? But sure I’ll play your game.
Support for universal health care or medicare for all. Biden said he’d veto medicare for all if it came to his desk. Obama wanted it.
Two state solution, keeping Netenyahu on a leash, and sucking off AIPAC. Pretty different performances. Netenyahu and Obama hated each other, while Biden did whatever Netenyahu wanted, when he wanted, to whatever degree he wanted.
While we’re at it, Biden acted in support of war crimes and violated the geneva conventions and Obama didnt. Seems like a solid policy difference.
Afghanistan. Obama trusted what his generals said about pulling out being bad for the region. Biden just wanted out.
Corporations and the rich as the dems almost sole focus under Biden while Obama ran on yes we can and hope for the people, and bread and butter issues. Biden didnt give a crap about the people. Obama centered his platform around youth. Biden targetted the elderly and the rich and lost the youth.
Biden called the far right racists his best friends and insisted on bipartisanship for bipartisanships sake, and Obama did not.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626
in the budget cliff showdowns Obama was all in favor of going over the fiscal cliff and letting the tax cuts for the rich expire, and Biden was not and went behind Obama back.
Obama pushed immigration policies which favored paths to citizenship for immigrants, where Biden locked the border down trump style.
Obama beleived in civil rights and was hailed as the best civil rights president since LBJ. Biden was a fascism fetishist who increased cop funding after defund+reallocate came to Washington, and who authored civil asset forfeiture laws which are blatantly unconstitutional.
Obama cut military spending and got pilloried for it. Biden increased it.
I wanted so much more from Obama and he turned out to be more conseravtive than I would have hoped, but Obama looks like Ghandi compared to Biden. And Biden looks more like Strom Thurmond and Donald Trumps love child.
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