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      Something like yesterday or so General Secretary of NATO said membership for Ukraine was never proposed. So it’s just empty posturing on the side of Zelensky.

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        “Empty posturing” is a very cynical and cruel way to frame it. What would you have Zelensky do instead? Quietly let Putin and Trump divide his country up?

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              Those weren’t their nukes to begin with, they had no capability to maintain them nor to use them without the codes. Giving them up was not only the only option for them but also in retrospect best for the rest of the world since US could easily coup them twice.
              Nice of you to wish nuclear armed banderites to the world. As a Pole i wouldn’t be able to sleep at night. Not to mention those minorities in Ukraine that would be sleeping eternal sleep after banderites end with them.

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              They been offered to remain neutral, but decided to pursue nuclear weapons and NATO instead thanks to clown president.

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      Good, they’ll weigh him down nicely enough when his countrymen hang him

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          Turning a country into a prison that people desperately try to escape by crossing the border through rivers/mountains (and often die trying), or by going to the “aggressor” controlled territories (remind me please, how many Poles or even better Jews were escaping their countries and fleeing to Germany during WW2 because it was safer there for them?) and people getting kidnapped, beaten, held in basemenets for days, tortured and even killed by the brave “recruitment officers” of Zelensky’s regime seems like good enough reason for me.

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            Especially the last part sounds a lot like propaganda. Do you have any sources on this? Preferably not from media that has ties to Russia.

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              So, the war has been going on for three fucking years already, and you still don’t know what’s actually going on there, all while supporting the regime? Well, I am not surprises even a little bit.

              There are shitton of articles written by western media about the kidnappings, but I am sure they are all sponsored by Russia, right?

              https://www.yahoo.com/news/m-ukrainian-conscription-officer-people-070000956.html?guccounter=1.

              https://unn.ua/en/news/a-lecturer-at-lviv-university-was-found-beaten-and-unconscious-near-kyiv-what-is-known-what-are-the-questions-to-the-tcc

              Here is a library of a fraction of videos about that (obviously faked and sponsored by Russia, because CNN told me Zelensky is good, this cannot be happening): https://uadraftmuseum.ch/incidents

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                Please. I did not pick any sides here with my question. I am not the person your argued with earlier.

                I sure do understand that in a war people are drawn into service against their will, it always has been like that. War sucks, that is out of the question and it surely is not the fault of the nation that is under attack.

                Thanks for your sources. Without sources, anyone can go around and say anything. Especially in this day and age.

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                  it always has been like that.

                  People were always hunted down on the streets and packed into vans by masked people (there is an entire new word for that btw, “busification”) with the west cheering the man who does it as a great democratic leader? Huh.

                  it surely is not the fault of the nation that is under attack.

                  But it is surely the fault of the people being kidnapped, beaten, tortured and killed, right? I mean, you wouldn’t support this happening to innocent people who never wronged you?