you will be punished with negative numbers!

Thanks for making me chuckle.

Run it with sudo in case you don’t see the process name with the above command.

sudo ss -patln | grep 443

lie

We have the tweet, the context, his direct statements saying he didn’t. You have your own interpretation. See also https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

so it’s not possible to add backdoor

lie

Quoting an incomplete sentence is peak bad faith. Please, elaborate on how they can backdoor the email communication without the change be visible in the clients. Take a proton to proton communication, and show me how they can backdoor the PGP encryption. I will propose 2 ways:

• maliciously patch the JS code of the webmail client, which will show the change in the browser, network communications etc.
• simply backdoor the client which will make it visible in the repo.

Didn’t work on you

Because they didn’t do anything that indicates they are violating my privacy. If they would, I would redirect my domain and drop them in a blink of an eye.

Straw man

It’s not a strawman lol. Pointing out the fact that it’s not evident what the advantage would be is an actual argument against saying that they would backdoor the software in compliance with trump’s wishes. Asking what the benefit is for such an immoral and illegal action seems reasonable to me?

being a non profit and him owning enough of it to do what he wants are unrelated

False. He gave away his stocks of the for profit company, which is now controlled by the nonprofit where he is 1 out of 5 (or 6?) In the board. A decision like this realistically will need to be approved by the board. Explain how he “owns enough to do what he wants” please.

Tell that french activist they turned logging on for and gave up to the authorities.

what would you expect any organization could do in that position? If there is a culprit there, it is the government. Complying with legal orders (which BTW they are transparent about and they challenge lots of them too) is a requirement for a company to operate. There are 2 cases that I know of so far (in the other they have been forced to give all the data they had about a user, and the only data they gave was a recovery email address), and they are 100% expected. Unless you want to be a rogue organization, there is nothing you can do in those cases. This if anything is a good test that shows how little data they collect or have. Unfortunately for logs of VPN connection there is no technical solution that will ever prevent from logging data again (mullvad is now experimenting with a double tunnel, but that is just a small nuisance for law enforcement), like there is for encryption (I.e., encryption happened with keys we cannot retrieve, sorry can’t help you).

“Learn to think critically, ignore the actual facts you put together to explicit your actual reasoning, trust the fact that if 10 people down vote you or argue with you, you must be wrong”

I can’t see any problem with this logic.

Yes, I think plenty of people are incompetent or just terminally online and see purity testing as a form of political activism. The fact this is not reddit doesn’t mean much.

that the taste of boot leather is not very pleasant.

Q.e.d.

Let me tell you from my socialist perspective why this is absurd. Defending an organization that is an underdog in the industry, that creates product that don’t harm users, that pushes for the right values (privacy) and at the same time developed a healthy business model (no VC funding, privately owned, but also no cloud usage that reduces costs and keep the money in the EU/EEA, no delocalization) is in my interests, because it is a step in the right direction within a toxic and harmful industry. You call this boolicking? Go ahead, for me it is actually a political success if more orgs like proton succeed and outcompete big tech.

unless you’re a french journalist … or a person of interest for the right people.

There is no org that can defend you from the law being applied. If that organization wants to exist they have to comply with the law. In all those cases we should blame the government for abusing laws (like antiterrorism laws for that environmental activist). Also in neither of those cases (I am aware of 2) any mail data has been disclosed (IP addresses for VPN connection they have been forced to log and recovery address, respectively).

Sci-fi writing in here I see

EDIT: For the downvoters:

• He clearly didn’t support Trump in general, but he did praise Trump’s pick for the antitrust position.
• Proton code for the clients is opensource, so it’s not possible to add backdoors without being discovered (encryption happens in the clients).
• Proton business model is inherently disincentivizing them to do so. They are a profitable company with a clear profile that would lose so many customers if they decide to do so.
• Proton is incorporated in Switzerland, it’s unclear what the benefit would be to “appease” Trump.
• Proton is controlled by a nonprofit. In the board of this nonprofit there are people like Carissa Veliz (author of “Privacy is power”) and Tim Berners Lee. So even if Andy Yen was a full on MAGA, he still wouldn’t have autonomy to decide that. Note that he ceded control himself.
• There is absolutely nothing in the history of Proton that suggests they would be open to backdooring their software.
• There is a long track record of choices to protect users’ privacy. This also includes yearly substantial donations to nonprofits who work in this space.

If this is not enough, I don’t know what is, but for sure the baseless accusations of a random user shouldn’t be enough as well.

You seem to simply disagree with him on “going after big tech” when it comes to antitrust. The guy also mentioned why he thinks democrats are a lost cause in the antitrust space.

So they don’t care how bad the government is as long as it helps them

This is a complete non sequitur from the previous paragraph. The reasonable conclusion is that they (or better, HE) don’t care if it’s a republican or a Democrat pushing for antitrust enforcement. They didn’t endorse the government, they didn’t campaign for them, they praised that pick, and if it is a good pick why shouldn’t them? Everyone benefits from big tech monopolies being broken up.

Now, we might disagree with his opinion, I personally think it was naive and overly optimistic, but having an opinion like that is completely legitimate.

Proton also lied about logging user data.

False. What they did was 100% expected by any company. They have been forced to log that particular user data, because complying with laws is a requirement to run a business. Not logging data is not a control that cannot be implemented in a way that can’t be reverted. They had to be forced to log user data because they didn’t, which proves exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.

If you want to take it up with someone here, take it up with governments who abuse antiterrorism laws. Any company in any jurisdiction could be forced to do the same.

Same for the case where they handed out the recovery email address of that user. 100% expected and a great proof of how little data they have about users.

Edit: For completeness here is an article from someone who went through past history (words and actions) for Proton https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

I am actually surprised they got that on the first place. That’s a very major domain name to have…

He is the Antichrist, singlehandedly causes global warming and I believe he might also have played a role in the spread of the plague in Europe in the 1300.

Like seriously, accusations of this caliber should be supported by solid evidence. If you can’t bother even reading the context of what all the noise was about, don’t go around commenting on the topic?

Would lemm.ee count for Estonia?