• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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    Ukraine is their neignbor. Being that most of Europe are also NATO members, It makes more sense to me that they be the ones to spearhead this proxy war if anyone should.

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      Russia is all of our problem. Being that the US is part of the world and Russia is a rogue state with a nuclear arsenal and the flagrant aggressor, it makes plenty of sense for us to invest in reducing their ability to cause these kinds of shockwaves every 7-10 years on the world stage.

      Have you forgotten the social and political unrest Russia has caused in our country? Are you unaware of the money and personnel they invest into destabilizing our country? Should that just go completely unanswered?

      Do you seriously think we should only concern ourselves with Mexico and Canada or something?

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        “Have you forgotten the social and political unrest Russia has caused in our country? Are you unaware of the money and personnel they invest into destabilizing our country? Should that just go completely unanswered?”

        you overestimate the influence russia previously had in our country while simultaneously underestimate the impact of americas history on my own fellow Americans as well as the rest of the world.

        Do you seriously think we don’t invest money and personnel in destabilizing russia?

        I also didn’t say to eliminate support, but we shouldn’t be leading this charge

        “Do you seriously think we should only concern ourselves with Mexico and Canada or something?”

        I seriously think we should do what our fellow NATO countries have been doing the past 8 decades and start focusing our attention on improving living conditions at home instead of constantly spending absurd amounts of money to perpetuate this infinitely growing war machine that claims to hold other countries to standards that it can’t even hold itself to.

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              You cared enough to start shit and defend Russia. If you didn’t care you would’ve read and moved on. Don’t play at that bullshit.

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                I never defended russia. quit makin’ shit up. also, unlike you bots, I have to sleep sometimes.

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                  I respond half a day later and you call me a bot who doesn’t sleep, but you respond within like an hour and you’re a real boy lmao

                  Be better man. Have a good one, truly.

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                    Your not the only propagandists I’m responding to and your intial comment is clearly referencing some of my replies to other people. I’m already good enough. Quit projecting.

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      The US fucking around geopolitically is what got us this mess. The US was eager to walk over Russian security interests, despite warnings this could escalate to a war. And now Trump has spoken the quiet part out loud, that for the US this war is mainly a business opportunity, no matter who wins it in the end.

      The US dropping out of supporting Ukraine should be met with sanctions and a ban of any US investment into Ukraine for thr next 100 years. Also all US owned assets needs to be seized like the Russian ones.

      Neither country should be allowed to make a single Penny from rebuilding in Ukraine.

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        The US was eager to walk over Russian security

        Why do you think Russian security interests override the security interests of the countries neighboring Russia?

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      proxy war

      So you think Russia waged this war just to stick it to the West? To me it looks like a war of conquest - Russia invaded so they could take land.

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        Why are you even guessing? Every single representative of Russia including Putin gives long ass speeches about why this is happening. Also the US is hardcore plotting and funding terrorism against Russia. They have incidents every two weeks or so.

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          Every single representative of Russia including Putin gives long ass speeches about why this is happening

          The same government that has lied about so many things that I have lost count

          Also the US is hardcore plotting and funding terrorism against Russia

          Evidence? Do you think the US plotted and funded the Crocus City Hall attack for instance?

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        If it was only about conquest, there is countries like Kazachstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tschadjikistan that Russia could conquer easily and w.o. consequences from the West.

        The key strategic goal for Russia is to prevent NATO standing on their homeland doorsteps.

        For a good explanatiom see this talk by Prof. John Mearsheimer, who foresaw this war coming ten years ago already.

        https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&pp=ygULbWVhcnNoZWltZXI%3D

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          NATO has already been on Russia’s borders - the Baltics and Poland were already NATO members that bordered Russia.

          I think the invasion of Ukraine was indeed a conquest for land. John McCain over 10 years ago predicted that Putin wanted to grab a “land bridge” between mainland Russia and Crimea:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAzeHnNgR8&t=58s

      • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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        Now this is just a dim take. We are fighting a war via a proxy (Ukraine) by offering the financial, logistical, and weapon support. Hence, a Proxy War.

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          What’s dim is refusing to recognise that this war was started by Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, then increased their invasion in 2022. Ukraine asked the West for military help so the West provided military help.

          Maybe Ukraine should have been allowed to join NATO years ago when they asked, and then they might not have been invaded.