• Dogiedog64@lemmy.world
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          Doubtful. They’ve shown beyond a reasonable doubt that nothing matters to them except blind loyalty to T. Nothing. Their own lives are meaningless before him, and his whims define their every breath. If he started shipping troops and guns to Russia, Republicans would be right there, fervently cheering him on.

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            I have some hope from the fact that when they showed just how absurdly subservient they are, some people showed up at town hall meetings to yell at them. Not all of these representatives are totally insulated in a maga-encrusted bubble, and at some point the fear of being too pro-Trump might start to compete with the fear of not being pro-Trump enough.

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            The true believers REALLY don’t want American intervention and the “old guard” have already pushed back against supporting Russia multiple times.

            They’re feckless but they’re not of the same mind on this.

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              But they’ll also toe the party line, no matter what that line is or who’s drawing it. I’ve known enough “I’m a Republican. I vote for the nominee” conservatives in my life to know that.

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                You can actually look at how Russia/Ukraine has been handled and see that that is factually incorrect. Look at the votes. Senate Republicans in particular have had no problem voting to send aid

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              Except the old guard is literally being purged out of agencies right now and is almost completely gone from the national political scene. McCain is dead with trump dancing on his grave, Romney is out after voting to convict trump during the 2021 impeachment. McConnell is retired, but literally spent the last decade trying to get trump elected and give him complete control over the courts (and tried to hand the courts to partisan unqualified judges for 30 years) All of the other “old guard” have bent the knee or left.

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                While I agree, their margins are too thin the house and the senate hasn’t totally gone MAGA yet. They need more buffer seats and upcoming midterms are very favorable to democrats

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        Firstly, that’s not certain at all, yet. Secondly “spoiler alert” goes first, you don’t write the spoiler then the alert, your inability to understand that says no one should trust anything you say.

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      Ukraine is their neignbor. Being that most of Europe are also NATO members, It makes more sense to me that they be the ones to spearhead this proxy war if anyone should.

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        Russia is all of our problem. Being that the US is part of the world and Russia is a rogue state with a nuclear arsenal and the flagrant aggressor, it makes plenty of sense for us to invest in reducing their ability to cause these kinds of shockwaves every 7-10 years on the world stage.

        Have you forgotten the social and political unrest Russia has caused in our country? Are you unaware of the money and personnel they invest into destabilizing our country? Should that just go completely unanswered?

        Do you seriously think we should only concern ourselves with Mexico and Canada or something?

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          “Have you forgotten the social and political unrest Russia has caused in our country? Are you unaware of the money and personnel they invest into destabilizing our country? Should that just go completely unanswered?”

          you overestimate the influence russia previously had in our country while simultaneously underestimate the impact of americas history on my own fellow Americans as well as the rest of the world.

          Do you seriously think we don’t invest money and personnel in destabilizing russia?

          I also didn’t say to eliminate support, but we shouldn’t be leading this charge

          “Do you seriously think we should only concern ourselves with Mexico and Canada or something?”

          I seriously think we should do what our fellow NATO countries have been doing the past 8 decades and start focusing our attention on improving living conditions at home instead of constantly spending absurd amounts of money to perpetuate this infinitely growing war machine that claims to hold other countries to standards that it can’t even hold itself to.

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                You cared enough to start shit and defend Russia. If you didn’t care you would’ve read and moved on. Don’t play at that bullshit.

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                  I never defended russia. quit makin’ shit up. also, unlike you bots, I have to sleep sometimes.

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                    I respond half a day later and you call me a bot who doesn’t sleep, but you respond within like an hour and you’re a real boy lmao

                    Be better man. Have a good one, truly.

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        The US fucking around geopolitically is what got us this mess. The US was eager to walk over Russian security interests, despite warnings this could escalate to a war. And now Trump has spoken the quiet part out loud, that for the US this war is mainly a business opportunity, no matter who wins it in the end.

        The US dropping out of supporting Ukraine should be met with sanctions and a ban of any US investment into Ukraine for thr next 100 years. Also all US owned assets needs to be seized like the Russian ones.

        Neither country should be allowed to make a single Penny from rebuilding in Ukraine.

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          The US was eager to walk over Russian security

          Why do you think Russian security interests override the security interests of the countries neighboring Russia?

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        proxy war

        So you think Russia waged this war just to stick it to the West? To me it looks like a war of conquest - Russia invaded so they could take land.

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          Why are you even guessing? Every single representative of Russia including Putin gives long ass speeches about why this is happening. Also the US is hardcore plotting and funding terrorism against Russia. They have incidents every two weeks or so.

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            Every single representative of Russia including Putin gives long ass speeches about why this is happening

            The same government that has lied about so many things that I have lost count

            Also the US is hardcore plotting and funding terrorism against Russia

            Evidence? Do you think the US plotted and funded the Crocus City Hall attack for instance?

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          If it was only about conquest, there is countries like Kazachstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tschadjikistan that Russia could conquer easily and w.o. consequences from the West.

          The key strategic goal for Russia is to prevent NATO standing on their homeland doorsteps.

          For a good explanatiom see this talk by Prof. John Mearsheimer, who foresaw this war coming ten years ago already.

          https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&pp=ygULbWVhcnNoZWltZXI%3D

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            NATO has already been on Russia’s borders - the Baltics and Poland were already NATO members that bordered Russia.

            I think the invasion of Ukraine was indeed a conquest for land. John McCain over 10 years ago predicted that Putin wanted to grab a “land bridge” between mainland Russia and Crimea:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAzeHnNgR8&t=58s

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          Now this is just a dim take. We are fighting a war via a proxy (Ukraine) by offering the financial, logistical, and weapon support. Hence, a Proxy War.

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            What’s dim is refusing to recognise that this war was started by Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, then increased their invasion in 2022. Ukraine asked the West for military help so the West provided military help.

            Maybe Ukraine should have been allowed to join NATO years ago when they asked, and then they might not have been invaded.