• Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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      14 hours ago

      Depends if you believe the ghost of Kiev and ‘fighting with shovels side’.
      Both sides are a tragedy.
      Unfortunately for Russia it’s a matter of survival.
      The ukros could’ve just been OK with staying what they had after the coup and not terrorise and take the east that didn’t want anything to do with them.

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        5 hours ago

        Who were they “taking the east” from?

        What is the threat to Russia’s existence?

        You have this backwards. The war is existential for Ukrainians. Russians decided to annex Crimea, and then luhansk and Donesk. When Kiev caught for it’s own territory, the Russians went for the capitol and attempted to overthrow the whole country.

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          The east is mostly ethnic Russians Donbass and Luhansk.
          And the South too.
          Unfortunately they couldn’t resist and after horrible crimes by fascist thugs (such as burning 47 civilians alive) theyhad to give up.

          The threat to Russia’s existence?
          Have you looked at a map?
          Ukraine in nato would make defense impossible from nukes.
          That is too close to Moscow to react.
          That is a red line and that was known for decades by the west.

          https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html

          Russia did not ‘annex’ Crimea.
          They are also ethnic Russians, only have been ukro oficially for some decades.
          They have always voted to go back to Russia in referendums loooong before this war.
          Especially after when they were discriminated against.

          All these are verifiable facts, you could know all this with some effort and not only consume US garbage news.
          Edit: I just read your comment “Lefties supported Kamala.” so it’s clear you don’t even know the basics of your own sorry country.
          And these people want to have an opinion on geopolitics.

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            3 hours ago

            What does the ethnicity of the inhabitants of the eastern provinces have to do with national borders? Does Mexico have claims to Texas and California? Should the US conquer Canada because of the 10’s of thousands of US natives living there?

            If Ukraine was abusing it’s population it should be censored, sanctioned, it’s leaders prosecuted for crimes against international law, but invasion is worse than anything short of genocide. The people of Donesk and Luhansk have had their many of their communities completely destroyed. They are not better off because of the war.